What rights is Donald taking away

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

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It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

Mexico did not pay for the wall. In fact I think some scammers raised money to build it privately and then stole the money. Build the wall paid by mexico was a giant fat lie.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

If your contrary evidence includes Trump's "official platform" or whatever random nonsense he managed to speak, I'll feel just fine how I look. He's a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Please quote where he says he will protect IUDs and birth control pills and mifepristone. "Birth control" can mean natural family planning.

+ 1

And the elephant in the room is he does call for a ban, on “late term” abortions, without saying what that means. I’ve heard DCUM forced birthers say that’s any time after 12 weeks.

Why would anyone get an abortion after they’re already showing?

You think getting an abortion at 20 weeks is ok? Babies are increasingly viable and surviving at 5 month premature birth.

I think 12 weeks is far better than the proposed five to six weeks or eight week bans which is absolutely ridiculous. At three months pregnant, you had to have figured out you’re pregnant by then through 2 missed periods and morning sickness etc.

Yes. 20 weeks was when my sister had to terminate her desperately wanted second child because they discovered— at the 20 week scan— a birth defect which would have let the baby live only a handful of excruciating hours.

That’s different. That’s not a wanted/elective abortion. That’s an emergency abortion.

Republicans despite the crazy religious base don’t even believe in abortion bans for fetal abnormalities or emergency health circumstances.

The problem is elective abortions and why Democrats keep wanting to push the abortion deadline on that. In some states, they want it to be 9 months

You are just straight out lying now. No, Republican laws do not consider those emergency abortions. The Republican plan is to carry the baby to term, and watch it die, and then spend millions paying off the medical claims.

That is LITERALLY what is happening now in Republican states where abortion bans are in place.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Please quote where he says he will protect IUDs and birth control pills and mifepristone. "Birth control" can mean natural family planning.

+ 1

And the elephant in the room is he does call for a ban, on “late term” abortions, without saying what that means. I’ve heard DCUM forced birthers say that’s any time after 12 weeks.

Why would anyone get an abortion after they’re already showing?

You think getting an abortion at 20 weeks is ok? Babies are increasingly viable and surviving at 5 month premature birth.

I think 12 weeks is far better than the proposed five to six weeks or eight week bans which is absolutely ridiculous. At three months pregnant, you had to have figured out you’re pregnant by then through 2 missed periods and morning sickness etc.

Yes. 20 weeks was when my sister had to terminate her desperately wanted second child because they discovered— at the 20 week scan— a birth defect which would have let the baby live only a handful of excruciating hours.

That’s different. That’s not a wanted/elective abortion. That’s an emergency abortion.

Republicans despite the crazy religious base don’t even believe in abortion bans for fetal abnormalities or emergency health circumstances.

The problem is elective abortions and why Democrats keep wanting to push the abortion deadline on that. In some states, they want it to be 9 months

Good luck getting voters to believe that pile of garbage. We will elect a pro choice president.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Please quote where he says he will protect IUDs and birth control pills and mifepristone. "Birth control" can mean natural family planning.

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And the elephant in the room is he does call for a ban, on “late term” abortions, without saying what that means. I’ve heard DCUM forced birthers say that’s any time after 12 weeks.

Why would anyone get an abortion after they’re already showing?

You think getting an abortion at 20 weeks is ok? Babies are increasingly viable and surviving at 5 month premature birth.

I think 12 weeks is far better than the proposed five to six weeks or eight week bans which is absolutely ridiculous. At three months pregnant, you had to have figured out you’re pregnant by then through 2 missed periods and morning sickness etc.

Yes. 20 weeks was when my sister had to terminate her desperately wanted second child because they discovered— at the 20 week scan— a birth defect which would have let the baby live only a handful of excruciating hours.

That’s different. That’s not a wanted/elective abortion. That’s an emergency abortion.

Republicans despite the crazy religious base don’t even believe in abortion bans for fetal abnormalities or emergency health circumstances.

The problem is elective abortions and why Democrats keep wanting to push the abortion deadline on that. In some states, they want it to be 9 months

Like Kate Cox in Texas? How did that go?

Can you provide a single link where Democrats are pushing for a nine-month elective abortion? Do you know why abortions happen late?

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You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Please quote where he says he will protect IUDs and birth control pills and mifepristone. "Birth control" can mean natural family planning.

+ 1

And the elephant in the room is he does call for a ban, on “late term” abortions, without saying what that means. I’ve heard DCUM forced birthers say that’s any time after 12 weeks.

Why would anyone get an abortion after they’re already showing?

You think getting an abortion at 20 weeks is ok? Babies are increasingly viable and surviving at 5 month premature birth.

I think 12 weeks is far better than the proposed five to six weeks or eight week bans which is absolutely ridiculous. At three months pregnant, you had to have figured out you’re pregnant by then through 2 missed periods and morning sickness etc.

Yes. 20 weeks was when my sister had to terminate her desperately wanted second child because they discovered— at the 20 week scan— a birth defect which would have let the baby live only a handful of excruciating hours.

That’s different. That’s not a wanted/elective abortion. That’s an emergency abortion.

Republicans despite the crazy religious base don’t even believe in abortion bans for fetal abnormalities or emergency health circumstances.

The problem is elective abortions and why Democrats keep wanting to push the abortion deadline on that. In some states, they want it to be 9 months

No it isn’t. It’s elective because she wasn’t in danger and the baby wasn’t going to die in utero— it was going to die in excruciating pain unable to breathe while its parents watched.

Don’t mistake that for something Republicans protect because— it isn’t. Here’s a story of someone who got to have a similar experience because of Republican cruelty:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2023/florida-abortion-law-deborah-dorbert/

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

What contrary evidence?! All we've ever seen of this lunatic is him trying to take for himself and take away from everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on the polling thread said Trump was stripping people of their rights. I asked which specific rights - but all my posts and the answers were deleted. Maybe for being off topic? So I’m trying again here.

Can anyone tell me what rights Trump will strip people of if he gets elected?

Trump as a champion of protecting the rights of Americans is a losing strategy. He is extremely weak in this argument. Even the desperation trans stuff strategy is a better bet than the rights issue.

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Trump's platform on abortion does not say anything about the life/health of the mother or fatal abnormalities.

It only says "we will oppose late term abortion"

I am a woman, mother, and healthcare worker, and I am a single issue voter. It's a no to Trump based on the language in his platform.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

If it is a state issue “period” why was Lindsay Graham trying for a 15 week Federal ban?

Lindsey Graham doesn’t speak for Republicans. And most were against his proposal. Next…
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/grahams-abortion-ban-senate-gop-00056423

He speaks for at least one Republican. Which is why they should not be trusted on this issue.

Again, nice try but no. If you read the linked article, most Republicans pushed back on this. Abortion is now a state issue.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

If it is a state issue “period” why was Lindsay Graham trying for a 15 week Federal ban?

Lindsey Graham doesn’t speak for Republicans. And most were against his proposal. Next…
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/grahams-abortion-ban-senate-gop-00056423

He speaks for at least one Republican. Which is why they should not be trusted on this issue.

Again, nice try but no. If you read the linked article, most Republicans pushed back on this. Abortion is now a state issue.

You can post that once or zero or a million times. Abortion is a critical issue in this national presidential election. Your tiresome posts do not change that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

If it is a state issue “period” why was Lindsay Graham trying for a 15 week Federal ban?

Lindsey Graham doesn’t speak for Republicans. And most were against his proposal. Next…
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/grahams-abortion-ban-senate-gop-00056423

He speaks for at least one Republican. Which is why they should not be trusted on this issue.

Again, nice try but no. If you read the linked article, most Republicans pushed back on this. Abortion is now a state issue.

Oh, ok. And what does that mean for DC residents when Trump is asserting greater Federal control of D.C. in his platform?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

What contrary evidence?! All we've ever seen of this lunatic is him trying to take for himself and take away from everyone else.

His platform. On his website. But you all just say “he’s lying.”