What rights is Donald taking away

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

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It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

This! Abortion is a big part of health care, like it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

Sounds good, go with it. Trump needs marks like you to have a chance.

“Marks”? No one is as elite and educated as you, I get it. Anyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot. There’s no possible other explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

This! Abortion is a big part of health care, like it or not.

Men don’t understand that D&Cs are used for many issues.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

You are not making sense.

What’s written on his website today is in contradiction of remarks he has made both in 2024 and when he was president. What I am asking is, why do you believe the website is truthful and the remarks were not?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

Sounds good, go with it. Trump needs marks like you to have a chance.

“Marks”? No one is as elite and educated as you, I get it. Anyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot. There’s no possible other explanation.

Anybody that trusts anything out of Trump's mouth is an idiot, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

This! Abortion is a big part of health care, like it or not.

They most definitely don't like it and will vote accordingly. But that opinion is a minority opinion and will be crushed in November by voters that know better.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

You are not making sense.

What’s written on his website today is in contradiction of remarks he has made both in 2024 and when he was president. What I am asking is, why do you believe the website is truthful and the remarks were not?

I am making sense. He changed his mind. He now knows what the people want him to do and what will get him elected. Politicians change their stances on issues all the time. Thats why I believe the most recent platform is the one he is going with right now.

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You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

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It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

Sounds good, go with it. Trump needs marks like you to have a chance.

“Marks”? No one is as elite and educated as you, I get it. Anyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot. There’s no possible other explanation.

Anybody that trusts anything out of Trump's mouth is an idiot, yes.

By the same token anyone who trusted the Dems that Biden was totes okay! Nothing to see here! is an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

This x10000. As someone who had two high risk pregnancies, abortion is often a medical necessity. It isn’t just an unwanted pregnancy. The fact that women are being medically evacuated from Idaho because a bunch of MAGAs want to shove their religion down everyone’s throats is disgusting.

Do not think for one second that Trump wouldn’t sign a national abortion ban. He picked Vance, the guy that hates women. He appointed Supreme Court justices that were picked by the Federalist Soceity because they would both overturn Roe and lie under oath that Roe was settled law and as conservative jurists would respect stare decisis.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

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This is a state issue now, and need to be fought at the state level. Work to get it out on the ballot in your state elections if you want change.

In terms of abortion policy, it doesn’t matter who is elected President. RvW is gone and not coming back

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Yes, they are. Why are you ignoring these stories of hospitals turning pregnant women away, pharmacists refusing to fill certain prescriptions, miscarrying women being sent home bleeding without treatment? When you see such headlines do you just chuckle and say, tough luck!

Many women not having access to abortion DOES NOT EQUAL not having access to healthcare. Abortion is only one part of women’s healthcare. To be clear.

“Many women not having access to abortion” actually does equate to not having access to healthcare. Everyone’s access to healthcare in abortion ban states is negatively affected because medical residents are not going to abortion ban states for training and doctors are leaving abortion ban states. Medical professionals are often married to other medical professionals. The loss of all these providers because of these abortion bans does equal not having access to healthcare broadly (not just abortion).

This x10000. As someone who had two high risk pregnancies, abortion is often a medical necessity. It isn’t just an unwanted pregnancy. The fact that women are being medically evacuated from Idaho because a bunch of MAGAs want to shove their religion down everyone’s throats is disgusting.

Do not think for one second that Trump wouldn’t sign a national abortion ban. He picked Vance, the guy that hates women. He appointed Supreme Court justices that were picked by the Federalist Soceity because they would both overturn Roe and lie under oath that Roe was settled law and as conservative jurists would respect stare decisis.

Exactly. I don't think Trump gives a shit about abortion rights outside of what it means for his electability. He sniffed the political wind, realized that the pro-life Krakens are taking the opening he gave them and running wild with it, and is now telling everyone to pump the breaks - scrub their websites - to distance themselves from unpopular legislation.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

You are not making sense.

What’s written on his website today is in contradiction of remarks he has made both in 2024 and when he was president. What I am asking is, why do you believe the website is truthful and the remarks were not?

I am making sense. He changed his mind. He now knows what the people want him to do and what will get him elected. Politicians change their stances on issues all the time. Thats why I believe the most recent platform is the one he is going with right now.

If he has changed his mind, why isn’t that clear in the platform— I.e why isn’t he putting in writing that he’s ruled out a federal ban, and won’t sign one that comes to his desk?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

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This is a state issue now, and need to be fought at the state level. Work to get it out on the ballot in your state elections if you want change.

In terms of abortion policy, it doesn’t matter who is elected President. RvW is gone and not coming back

But a federal ban could arrive under Trump. Just ask Graham who wants it at 15 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

You are not making sense.

What’s written on his website today is in contradiction of remarks he has made both in 2024 and when he was president. What I am asking is, why do you believe the website is truthful and the remarks were not?

I am making sense. He changed his mind. He now knows what the people want him to do and what will get him elected. Politicians change their stances on issues all the time. Thats why I believe the most recent platform is the one he is going with right now.

If he has changed his mind, why isn’t that clear in the platform— I.e why isn’t he putting in writing that he’s ruled out a federal ban, and won’t sign one that comes to his desk?

Are you for real? You’re not going to get that much detail on a website. He’s not writing it to allay your fears. He’s just giving his general stance.

And you really mean to tell me that if he did write that, you’d believe him? We’d just get more of the same “he’s lying” crap.