It's been 10 years since our oldest graduated from high school. The most successful are

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Anonymous wrote:People claiming to have gone to Ivies but then arguing with anecdotes over statistics. Got it.

(Slowly and quietly moves state schools up DC’s list)

Self contradictory

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

Most high school class of 2014 are age 28 right now. And yes, high value smart couples are marrying in their early and mid 20s. We know a Yale '23 & Harvard '23 couple who got married last fall.

The majority of young marriages end in divorce.[/quotlived.

20 years seems the average duration. So for young marriages it happens in their 40s.
For older marriages, say married at 40, it happens in their late 50s, early 60s.

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Anonymous wrote:People claiming to have gone to Ivies but then arguing with anecdotes over statistics. Got it.

(Slowly and quietly moves state schools up DC’s list)

Probably ALDC admits.
More than 40% of Whites in Harvard are ALDC.

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Anonymous wrote:People claiming to have gone to Ivies but then arguing with anecdotes over statistics. Got it.

(Slowly and quietly moves state schools up DC’s list)

Probably ALDC admits.
More than 40% of Whites in Harvard are ALDC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Almost half of them are going in backdoor for schools like Harvard and such.

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Ivy grad who married at 29 here—my friends treated me like a child bride. I was the top student in my HS class and have a very good ($400k in interesting field) career but am in no way exceptional. IME those kids are focused on things other than ticking the boxes of the educational system.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

mediocre student athletes usually aren't tiger mom'ed, but valedictorians are, as Tiger Moms tend to emphasize academics first and foremost. Your anecdata is very interesting in light of this fact.

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Judging a person’s success in life at 28 is asinine.

Talk to me about their lives when they’re 90.

Many of the most interesting and successful people do not live linear lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people measure success by how much money you make, what neighborhood you live in, or how nice your house is. There are plenty of people who do good valuable work and don't make much money. They can be happy, content, don't overconsume, advocate for a better world, have time to engage in their communities, and donate to worthy causes. They can be great successes. A quality education can be a big part of this.

Cool. In the real world, the public understanding of the meaning of success is heavily correlated with financial outcomes.

DP
This says a lot about you. Actually, MOST PEOPLE in the real world are religious and their ideologies consist of a lot more than money. It is a minority of people like you that make money and consumerism your religion. Good for you, but just know that the majority of the world's population is not with you. There are a lot of people, especially here, who are though. I hope your consumption makes you happy in the end.

Yeah…I guess if you include lots of 3rd world population.

However, in the first world (ie this country), even religious people equate financial outcomes with success (whether that’s founding a company or becoming a doctor).

This isn’t a new or novel concept.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

Once again proving that "where you go matters less than what you do while you are there". 99% of those with "a resume for T25" will excel in life, no matter where they attend college. It's their drive, attitude towards life and school and desire to excel that will get them far in life.

Shocking that more people do not understand that and still continue to go into massive debt for undergrad because of "a higher ranked school"

It's not just the debt, it's nutty parents spending years of their life and large sums of money trying to scheme their dime a doze above average aimless teenagers into an elite university as if it's a winning Powerball ticket for their family. An elite degree is a waste on such a kid. It will just bring additional attention and embarrassment on your family when everyone sees the young adult working a normal job or worse yet, failing to launch, after you schemed them into such a university.

I would be so embarrassed if anyone knew my kid worked a normal job after getting a great education.

I know, right? Imagine your kid becoming an ordinary accountant or a basic attorney.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

Tell me you went to public school without telling me you went to public school. I went to private school on scholarship and was an excellent student who went to an Ivy. And the most successful people in terms of income were the ones with the richest parents.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

Okay

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I went to an ivy and have an unimpressive career. I'm still glad I went to an ivy. I'm not sure what the takeaway is supposed to be.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to an ivy and have an unimpressive career. I'm still glad I went to an ivy. I'm not sure what the takeaway is supposed to be.

I guess the takeaway is that it does not matter where you go to college, what matters is what you did while you are in college, or how motivated you are after that. An ivy is not a magic wand, people who are bright and motivated will do well from a wide variety of colleges. I too attended an Ivy but I see the most successful people are those who love what they do, are hardworking, constantly learning and also lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to an ivy and have an unimpressive career. I'm still glad I went to an ivy. I'm not sure what the takeaway is supposed to be.

I guess the takeaway is that it does not matter where you go to college, what matters is what you did while you are in college, or how motivated you are after that. An ivy is not a magic wand, people who are bright and motivated will do well from a wide variety of colleges. I too attended an Ivy but I see the most successful people are those who love what they do, are hardworking, constantly learning and also lucky.

That's only if you consider career the only important thing in life. The knowledge, intellectual habits, and above all friends I accumulated in those four years will be cherished by me if by no one else for the rest of my days.

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You also didn't know why a career stalled out. I've known people detailed by health, mental health, addiction, or family issues that were mostly invisible to the rest of the world. Seems harsh and shrewish to judge when you really don't know.