Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Wake Forest? Tulane? Does the value of that degree change in your mind because of the sudden drop in ranking? Would you have your DC apply to a school because it jumped up in ranking? Rankings can be fluid and often meaningless depending on metrics.

But those are both really good schools. I'm asking are there some schools that were not well regarded and then just suddenly jumped to #6 public university (UF's ranking) and then just suddenly fell off the list a few years later? No. The answer is no. UF is a solid school. That's why it's ranked the way it is and it has been #6 for years. This isn't new. This isn't a fluke. UNC is #4 and UVA #5. It's not like UF is that far behind.

Yes, they are both great schools, which illustrates why rankings are meaningless in both directions. Schools move up and down for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't make them better or worse that year. You are fixated on rank, I'm talking about trends in applications. Southern schools are seeing a surge in applications, but it doesn't mean they are on their way to being "TOP." I do think UF and UGA are both solid schools. I said that in my original post. Do I think they are viewed the same as UVA and UNC? I don't. If all things were equal and a kid had offers from these four schools in front of them, I'm going to guess most would choose UVA or UNC above the other two.

I do think UF is on par w UNC and UVA. I do not think UGA is…yet.

On par on what? USNWR ranking? Undergraduate education quality? Value? Research output?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Wake Forest? Tulane? Does the value of that degree change in your mind because of the sudden drop in ranking? Would you have your DC apply to a school because it jumped up in ranking? Rankings can be fluid and often meaningless depending on metrics.

But those are both really good schools. I'm asking are there some schools that were not well regarded and then just suddenly jumped to #6 public university (UF's ranking) and then just suddenly fell off the list a few years later? No. The answer is no. UF is a solid school. That's why it's ranked the way it is and it has been #6 for years. This isn't new. This isn't a fluke. UNC is #4 and UVA #5. It's not like UF is that far behind.

Yes, they are both great schools, which illustrates why rankings are meaningless in both directions. Schools move up and down for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't make them better or worse that year. You are fixated on rank, I'm talking about trends in applications. Southern schools are seeing a surge in applications, but it doesn't mean they are on their way to being "TOP." I do think UF and UGA are both solid schools. I said that in my original post. Do I think they are viewed the same as UVA and UNC? I don't. If all things were equal and a kid had offers from these four schools in front of them, I'm going to guess most would choose UVA or UNC above the other two.

I do think UF is on par w UNC and UVA. I do not think UGA is…yet.

On par on what? USNWR ranking? Undergraduate education quality? Value? Research output?

All of the above

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Wake Forest? Tulane? Does the value of that degree change in your mind because of the sudden drop in ranking? Would you have your DC apply to a school because it jumped up in ranking? Rankings can be fluid and often meaningless depending on metrics.

But those are both really good schools. I'm asking are there some schools that were not well regarded and then just suddenly jumped to #6 public university (UF's ranking) and then just suddenly fell off the list a few years later? No. The answer is no. UF is a solid school. That's why it's ranked the way it is and it has been #6 for years. This isn't new. This isn't a fluke. UNC is #4 and UVA #5. It's not like UF is that far behind.

Yes, they are both great schools, which illustrates why rankings are meaningless in both directions. Schools move up and down for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't make them better or worse that year. You are fixated on rank, I'm talking about trends in applications. Southern schools are seeing a surge in applications, but it doesn't mean they are on their way to being "TOP." I do think UF and UGA are both solid schools. I said that in my original post. Do I think they are viewed the same as UVA and UNC? I don't. If all things were equal and a kid had offers from these four schools in front of them, I'm going to guess most would choose UVA or UNC above the other two.

I do think UF is on par w UNC and UVA. I do not think UGA is…yet.

On par on what? USNWR ranking? Undergraduate education quality? Value? Research output?

Does UF include admissions statistics of all the students they enroll through community college, summer term and online/PACE pathways in their literature? These students make up a large percentage of their enrollment but presumably have much lower grades and test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

+1. This is like saying “racism isn’t a problem” at a school like university of Wisconsin-platteville that is 90% white.

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

I agree.

Texas conservatism is the best conservatism.

Unfortunately, California liberals are like locusts. Ruin where you are then fly off and ruin someplace else.

Fortunately, the governor of Texas doesn't mess around.

Rich, white d*ckheads unite! Don’t you have a tee time scheduled somewhere?

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Go where the hunnies are! In the south. No frumpies allowed. Keep them in the North.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

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Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

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Like most threads, this one has gone completely off the rails.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

All of a sudden Frantz Fanon is getting name dropped every day? What gives? Since 99% of people won't recognize the name it seems like some kind of coded message or dig whistle. What point are you trying to make? You want people to read Black Skins / White Masks? Is that the connection to Southern schools? Some kind of comment on upper middle class blacks at Vanderbilt, Rice, Duke??

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Yes, but keep the frumpies in the dirty metro areas

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.

Is there a single program that UF is better at compared to UT Austin?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

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Prepare to be asked frequently where you go to church.

We left MoCo and moved to the south. This is true, people ask where you go to church. It's just conversational and not meant to be menacing. Progressives go to church here also. And I have Jewish neighbors and it's not weird. At our Christmas party, we o75 out chocolate maccabees next to thr chocolate Santas and it was all good. The south is much more social and laid back so people don't look for offense or take offense when someone has different views or traditions.