Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.

Is there a single program that UF is better at compared to UT Austin?

Engineering without a doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

Yes, but 100% percent of our Jewish students are welcome and can live here in safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.

Is there a single program that UF is better at compared to UT Austin?

Engineering without a doubt.

DCUM doesn't strike me as clued in to Ag school rankings, but UF's Ag school is very strong.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.

Is there a single program that UF is better at compared to UT Austin?

Engineering without a doubt.

UT Austin ranks higher for both undergraduate and graduate engineering in US News.

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Is the future of higher ed in the South? Yes

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What is all this obsession with appearance?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

Yes, but 100% percent of our Jewish students are welcome and can live here in safety.

sure

and is it the same for LGBTQ+ students?

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Except now it's happening in Texas

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-yale-university-protests-04-24-24/h_219e191f2ea01e0c35daa6e1469ad04b

Different poster. Texas handled it swiftly. The southern schools seem protect the rights of kids to get an education and they have boundaries and consequences.

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Except now it's happening in Texas

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-yale-university-protests-04-24-24/h_219e191f2ea01e0c35daa6e1469ad04b

Different poster. Texas handled it swiftly. The southern schools seem protect the rights of kids to get an education and they have boundaries and consequences.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

Yes, but 100% percent of our Jewish students are welcome and can live here in safety.

sure

and is it the same for LGBTQ+ students?

Absolutely

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

Yes, but 100% percent of our Jewish students are welcome and can live here in safety.

https://forward.com/news/535820/jews-south-antisemitism-ajc-survey-israel-campus/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Really? Let’s look at some stats.

Jewish people make up 16% of the population in NYC
17% of Los Angeles population is Jewish
Chicago, Boston, San Francisco, DC, Philadelphia all about 6% Jewish

Now let’s look at some southern cities:
Yes Miami has a lot of Jewish people (15% of the population) but after that not many Jewish folks in the south
Outside of south Florida, Atlanta & Houston have the biggest percentages of Jewish people in the south w 2% of the population of metro Atlanta and metro Houston identifying as Jewish
In Charlotte, NC 1% Jewish
Nashville jewish people make up .8% of the population

So outside of south Florida, no there are not a lot of Jewish people in the south compared to the north.

Yes, but 100% percent of our Jewish students are welcome and can live here in safety.

https://forward.com/news/535820/jews-south-antisemitism-ajc-survey-israel-campus/

SHOCKING /s

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

You can not be this dumb

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.

Is there a single program that UF is better at compared to UT Austin?

Engineering without a doubt.

No.

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Anonymous wrote:You know they are B-/B kids who don’t want to go to GMU or Towson. It’s good for them to venture out.

I always thought they are more of C+/B- kids, who are good kids but didn’t try hard at schools. Southern schools are providing them a second chance to get things sorted out.

You have not kept up with admissions at UF and UGA, both of which are the only two states top require tests, until next year.

Super competitive for state schools. Maybe 20-25% acceptance OOS. Not a T20 or Ivy obviously, but no where kids go to "get things sorted out" or whatever nonsense you wrote.