DC delays Conn Ave bike lanes bcuz of opposition

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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


A quarter of kids in DC live in poverty. Can we cut out the WABA graft and just give the money to the kids?

That’s about 30,000 kids. The city could buy each of those kids a backpack and school supplies every year for what they give WABA.


FYI, most parents think the learn-to-ride program is great. I'm happy that DC spends money on recreation for kids. There's a lot in the mayor's proposed budget on that - a new afterschool program app, lots of pool maintenance, some funds for special needs swim lessons. Truly, find something else to fixate on.


Are they spending excessive amounts of money renting googles and fins to kids? If not, that has nothing to do with being fleeced by WABA.


Are you kidding? There is a well-known dearth of swimming instruction for kids in DC. If DC expanded access by contracting with an outside organization, that would be amazing. There is actually money in the Mayor’s budget proposal to increase swim lesson access. Qualified instructors are hard to find, so if the city can contract for a good source of instructors that would be amazing.


You know what would be really amazing? Swimming lessons AND bike-riding lessons! Everyone should know how to swim, and everyone should know how to ride a bike.


Isn’t that a parents job? Teaching your kid to ride a bike is probably one of the most joyous accomplishments in life. I miss those days.

I’m sympathetic about needing professionals for swim instruction but my god there is no need to pay anyone millions to reach kids how to ride a bike. It would be cheaper and more effective to just buy every kid whose family is below AMI a $300 bike. Call ‘em “Bowser bikes” and be done with it.


We don't know if it's "millions", it's just that one anonymous person who keeps insisting it is, without evidence. Also, why are you ok with swim instruction but not with bike instruction?



I flagged the posts with false accusations of fraud. suggest you do to.

First off, you’re either lying or dumb. No one is accusing fraud. People are accusing corruption.

Second, if you in the business of flagging posts that spread misinformation, I hope that you have flagged your own. Here is the actual contract.
https://contracts.ocp.dc.gov/contracts/attachments/Q1c3NTQ3MsKmQmFzZSBQZXJpb2TCpnszRTM4NkU4Qy1BRDQ3LTQ1MUMtQTlBNC05Qzk0OEI3MEY3ODF9

The truth is that WABA has an annual budget of $2,000,000 and only $100,000 comes from donors. The rest comes directly from DC taxpayers. DC tax payers pay for their rent and facilities. WABA uses those facilities to lobby the DC government.


This would actually be illegal and your continually posting baseless lies don't make your side look good, because this provably false claim undermines any credibility you might have had with other claims.

Are they using a different physical office to execute their bike education contract than the one they are using for lobbying?


Have at it.
https://oig.dc.gov/oig-services/report-waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement/hotline-information

What’s the answer? Is it the same office or not?

Why are you wasting your time on DCUM when you have waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement you could be reporting to the hotline?

Since you are the one that is arguing and claiming that what I have said it untrue, that WABA using the same facilities paid by DC tax money for lobbying, the burden is on you to refute it. You refuse but claim it is untrue. Do they use different facilities or not?


Buddy, you are risking a defamation lawsuit. That’s not how it works when you make slanderous, unsupported factual claims.


Hahaha no they aren't!!! Where is the defamation? Where is the slander?


The slander is claiming that WABA is corrupt, making specific allegations such as that they are violating conflict-of-interest and lobbying laws.


What a joke. WABA is not a person. Just answer PP's question, it wasn't difficult or complicated, and stop making hollow threats.


answer what question? rebut their baseless accusations of fraud & ethics violations? PP needs to show actual evidence of those facts. Show the evidence then we can discuss.

PS businessess and nonprofits can sue for defamation


Please sue them and then get Rule 11ed.

They asked whether the office space WABA uses to lobby is subsidized by the DC Gov.
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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


A quarter of kids in DC live in poverty. Can we cut out the WABA graft and just give the money to the kids?

That’s about 30,000 kids. The city could buy each of those kids a backpack and school supplies every year for what they give WABA.


FYI, most parents think the learn-to-ride program is great. I'm happy that DC spends money on recreation for kids. There's a lot in the mayor's proposed budget on that - a new afterschool program app, lots of pool maintenance, some funds for special needs swim lessons. Truly, find something else to fixate on.


Are they spending excessive amounts of money renting googles and fins to kids? If not, that has nothing to do with being fleeced by WABA.


Are you kidding? There is a well-known dearth of swimming instruction for kids in DC. If DC expanded access by contracting with an outside organization, that would be amazing. There is actually money in the Mayor’s budget proposal to increase swim lesson access. Qualified instructors are hard to find, so if the city can contract for a good source of instructors that would be amazing.


You know what would be really amazing? Swimming lessons AND bike-riding lessons! Everyone should know how to swim, and everyone should know how to ride a bike.


Isn’t that a parents job? Teaching your kid to ride a bike is probably one of the most joyous accomplishments in life. I miss those days.

I’m sympathetic about needing professionals for swim instruction but my god there is no need to pay anyone millions to reach kids how to ride a bike. It would be cheaper and more effective to just buy every kid whose family is below AMI a $300 bike. Call ‘em “Bowser bikes” and be done with it.


We don't know if it's "millions", it's just that one anonymous person who keeps insisting it is, without evidence. Also, why are you ok with swim instruction but not with bike instruction?



I flagged the posts with false accusations of fraud. suggest you do to.

First off, you’re either lying or dumb. No one is accusing fraud. People are accusing corruption.

Second, if you in the business of flagging posts that spread misinformation, I hope that you have flagged your own. Here is the actual contract.
https://contracts.ocp.dc.gov/contracts/attachments/Q1c3NTQ3MsKmQmFzZSBQZXJpb2TCpnszRTM4NkU4Qy1BRDQ3LTQ1MUMtQTlBNC05Qzk0OEI3MEY3ODF9

The truth is that WABA has an annual budget of $2,000,000 and only $100,000 comes from donors. The rest comes directly from DC taxpayers. DC tax payers pay for their rent and facilities. WABA uses those facilities to lobby the DC government.


This would actually be illegal and your continually posting baseless lies don't make your side look good, because this provably false claim undermines any credibility you might have had with other claims.

Are they using a different physical office to execute their bike education contract than the one they are using for lobbying?


Have at it.
https://oig.dc.gov/oig-services/report-waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement/hotline-information

What’s the answer? Is it the same office or not?

Why are you wasting your time on DCUM when you have waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement you could be reporting to the hotline?

Since you are the one that is arguing and claiming that what I have said it untrue, that WABA using the same facilities paid by DC tax money for lobbying, the burden is on you to refute it. You refuse but claim it is untrue. Do they use different facilities or not?


Buddy, you are risking a defamation lawsuit. That’s not how it works when you make slanderous, unsupported factual claims.


Hahaha no they aren't!!! Where is the defamation? Where is the slander?


The slander is claiming that WABA is corrupt, making specific allegations such as that they are violating conflict-of-interest and lobbying laws.


What a joke. WABA is not a person. Just answer PP's question, it wasn't difficult or complicated, and stop making hollow threats.


answer what question? rebut their baseless accusations of fraud & ethics violations? PP needs to show actual evidence of those facts. Show the evidence then we can discuss.

PS businessess and nonprofits can sue for defamation


Please sue them and then get Rule 11ed.

They asked whether the office space WABA uses to lobby is subsidized by the DC Gov.


No, they stated that it WAS improperly used, and made numerous other factual statements about “graft” and “corruption.”

This is really not a stretch at all for a defamation case if PP keeps it up.
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WABA has better things to do than sue anonymous bike-hating randos on the internet.
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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all


A quarter of kids in DC live in poverty. Can we cut out the WABA graft and just give the money to the kids?

That’s about 30,000 kids. The city could buy each of those kids a backpack and school supplies every year for what they give WABA.


FYI, most parents think the learn-to-ride program is great. I'm happy that DC spends money on recreation for kids. There's a lot in the mayor's proposed budget on that - a new afterschool program app, lots of pool maintenance, some funds for special needs swim lessons. Truly, find something else to fixate on.


Are they spending excessive amounts of money renting googles and fins to kids? If not, that has nothing to do with being fleeced by WABA.


Are you kidding? There is a well-known dearth of swimming instruction for kids in DC. If DC expanded access by contracting with an outside organization, that would be amazing. There is actually money in the Mayor’s budget proposal to increase swim lesson access. Qualified instructors are hard to find, so if the city can contract for a good source of instructors that would be amazing.


You know what would be really amazing? Swimming lessons AND bike-riding lessons! Everyone should know how to swim, and everyone should know how to ride a bike.


Isn’t that a parents job? Teaching your kid to ride a bike is probably one of the most joyous accomplishments in life. I miss those days.

I’m sympathetic about needing professionals for swim instruction but my god there is no need to pay anyone millions to reach kids how to ride a bike. It would be cheaper and more effective to just buy every kid whose family is below AMI a $300 bike. Call ‘em “Bowser bikes” and be done with it.


We don't know if it's "millions", it's just that one anonymous person who keeps insisting it is, without evidence. Also, why are you ok with swim instruction but not with bike instruction?



I flagged the posts with false accusations of fraud. suggest you do to.

First off, you’re either lying or dumb. No one is accusing fraud. People are accusing corruption.

Second, if you in the business of flagging posts that spread misinformation, I hope that you have flagged your own. Here is the actual contract.
https://contracts.ocp.dc.gov/contracts/attachments/Q1c3NTQ3MsKmQmFzZSBQZXJpb2TCpnszRTM4NkU4Qy1BRDQ3LTQ1MUMtQTlBNC05Qzk0OEI3MEY3ODF9

The truth is that WABA has an annual budget of $2,000,000 and only $100,000 comes from donors. The rest comes directly from DC taxpayers. DC tax payers pay for their rent and facilities. WABA uses those facilities to lobby the DC government.


This would actually be illegal and your continually posting baseless lies don't make your side look good, because this provably false claim undermines any credibility you might have had with other claims.

Are they using a different physical office to execute their bike education contract than the one they are using for lobbying?


Have at it.
https://oig.dc.gov/oig-services/report-waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement/hotline-information

What’s the answer? Is it the same office or not?

Why are you wasting your time on DCUM when you have waste-fraud-abuse-and-mismanagement you could be reporting to the hotline?

Since you are the one that is arguing and claiming that what I have said it untrue, that WABA using the same facilities paid by DC tax money for lobbying, the burden is on you to refute it. You refuse but claim it is untrue. Do they use different facilities or not?


Buddy, you are risking a defamation lawsuit. That’s not how it works when you make slanderous, unsupported factual claims.


Hahaha no they aren't!!! Where is the defamation? Where is the slander?


The slander is claiming that WABA is corrupt, making specific allegations such as that they are violating conflict-of-interest and lobbying laws.


What a joke. WABA is not a person. Just answer PP's question, it wasn't difficult or complicated, and stop making hollow threats.


answer what question? rebut their baseless accusations of fraud & ethics violations? PP needs to show actual evidence of those facts. Show the evidence then we can discuss.

PS businessess and nonprofits can sue for defamation


Please sue them and then get Rule 11ed.

They asked whether the office space WABA uses to lobby is subsidized by the DC Gov.

Plus anti-SLAPP’d. If it survived that it would get 12(b)(6)’d.

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Does anyone seriously think WABA isn’t violating lobbying laws? The government is paying them to lobby the government. It’s not some get out jail free card to call it education. This is DC though so no laws are ever enforced. You can rob someone or ignore lobbying rules or park your SUV in a bike lane for a week and no one is going to do anything about it.
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Anonymous wrote:WABA has better things to do than sue anonymous bike-hating randos on the internet.


Like try to find some actual members? It seems to live off government largesse. If people actually supported WABA, and wanted what they wanted, they wouldn’t need to live off hand outs from the government
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Anonymous wrote:WABA has better things to do than sue anonymous bike-hating randos on the internet.


Like try to find some actual members? It seems to live off government largesse. If people actually supported WABA, and wanted what they wanted, they wouldn’t need to live off hand outs from the government


you've been yelling at WABA online for at least 5 hours now.
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Anonymous wrote:There's literally like 8 bikers in DC and they are loud and obnoxious as hell and also don't even understand basic traffic laws. They're a pedestrian when it's a convenient for them and they're a car when it's convenient for them. All bow down to the superior bikers!


I guess you've never seen the DC bike party roll by, huh? We had about 1,400-1,500 people show up to last night's. Idiot.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone seriously think WABA isn’t violating lobbying laws? The government is paying them to lobby the government. It’s not some get out jail free card to call it education. This is DC though so no laws are ever enforced. You can rob someone or ignore lobbying rules or park your SUV in a bike lane for a week and no one is going to do anything about it.


Nobody seriously thinks WABA is violating lobbying laws except you, because you're obsessed.
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Anonymous wrote:Connecticut Avenue is already on a diet now that parking is allowed all day, no rush hour restrictions. That should slow things down the same as bike lanes would.

With the safety argument gone and the transportation argument quite dubious seeing that it is a major public transit corridor there is no rationale at all beyond providing an expensive amenity for a couple dozen of wealthy white people in a city where a lot of basic needs are not being met. This is the kind of thing a city does when it has a growing economy and is flush with cash. That is not the DC of 2023 and thankfully Mayor Bowser and the Council understand that very well.


DC has the same poverty rate as West Virginia

Is West Virginia planning any boondoggle transportation projects that will only benefit a handful of rich people?



Exactly. DC has spent billions of dollars on bike lanes.

Not sure about billions but certainly more than $100 million over the past decade.


This is total nonsense. After repeated requests, someone in the other thread strung together a bunch of projects that allocated funding to a wide range of infra, including road maintenance, and sheepishly tried to claim that the allocations were all for bike lanes. It was patently absurd. If you nothing to contribute other than lies and manipulation, please just be quiet.


Bowser's current budget proposal alone has close to $60 million. $100 million over the past decade is neither absurd nor an exaggeration.


Bike funding routinely exceeds $100 million annually. DC has had bike lanes for 15 years. Things aren’t cheap and the DC government is very generous when it spends other people’s money


show a link for this claim


Here's a sampling from the 2023 budget:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes


Most of the Washington area bicycling associations annual budget comes from the city. DC pays the bike lobby to lobby the DC government. Surprisingly few real people actually give to waba


can we create a bingo card for this thread? “WABA is funded by DC and controls DDOT” will be a square.


Uh, well you can look at the budget and see for yourself


WABA gets about $100,000 annually in membership dues and almost $1 million from the government. I think that’s called astroturf


WABA has/had a contract with DC to teach 2nd graders how to ride bikes. How horrible! What monsters!!!


Oh you mean the program where WABA charges DC public schools $1,000 per child to rent one of their bikes? No, that’s not shady at all



One of the WABA contracts with the city include paying someone $150,000 per year, rising to $180,000 to be a “bicycle ambassador” which includes hanging out and riding around trails and bike lanes for 20 hours per week


We don’t deserve home rule
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Honestly all those bike lanes are just parking spots waiting to be used.
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Anonymous wrote:There's literally like 8 bikers in DC and they are loud and obnoxious as hell and also don't even understand basic traffic laws. They're a pedestrian when it's a convenient for them and they're a car when it's convenient for them. All bow down to the superior bikers!


I guess you've never seen the DC bike party roll by, huh? We had about 1,400-1,500 people show up to last night's. Idiot.

LOL. Yeah no.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone seriously think WABA isn’t violating lobbying laws?


Yes. Those who have made the mistake of reading your asinine comments have been exposed to your delusion. Many of us, those of us with day jobs, families, other indications of sanity, do not agree.
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Anonymous wrote:There's literally like 8 bikers in DC and they are loud and obnoxious as hell and also don't even understand basic traffic laws. They're a pedestrian when it's a convenient for them and they're a car when it's convenient for them. All bow down to the superior bikers!


I guess you've never seen the DC bike party roll by, huh? We had about 1,400-1,500 people show up to last night's. Idiot.


Sure, Sean Spicer. I saw it, and you can’t count.
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Anonymous wrote:Finally. Having bike lanes on a major artery is insanity.


So the rest of the major cities around the world are insane. mmmmokay.




You’re claiming all other major cities around the world have bike lanes on major roads? Interesting.


Paris is building a lot of bike infrastructure. Many less car-centric cities are already more bike and ped friendly.

Since Paris embarked on this journey, its population has declined from all time highs to the lowest level since the 19th century. Turns out that if you intentionally make it harder for people to get around, eg “traffic calming” and “slow streets”, it makes people’s lives miserable enough to leave in large numbers. Maybe that’s the goal? I don’t know.


Paris Metropopulation:

1850 ~1.5 million
1950 ~6 million
2023 ~11+ million

Please don’t waste peoples time. Unless you think population changes in Loudon and Frederick counties are relevant to DC proper.


If they had the transit connections of metropolitan Paris then yes they would be relevant.

LOL. The high growth areas of suburban Paris look just like suburbs in the US. Nice way to show your ignorance.

Paris city population
2014: 2.3 million (Anne Hidalgo elected)
2022: 2.1 million


I am so excited for the 124 new miles of Grand DC Express Metro to open in 2024! Wait, what?

Are those bike lanes? Then what’s your point? Where the bike lanes have gone in, the population has gone down.

DC population
2015: 677k (Bowser elected)
2022: 671k


Manhattan
2008: Janette Sadik-Khan starts work as NYC transportation commissioner
2010 Census: 1,629,054
2022: 1,596,273

Hmmmm…… it’s almost like there could be a connection here.
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