Drag Queen Story Hours

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Anonymous wrote:They’re fun. That’s it. There’s nothing sexual about them

If you say so. Do you ever ask yourself why these men want to be around young children. If they were not dressed up in these outfits would you still take your kids to see a random man read stories. For some reason the customers and make up somehow make it acceptable.

Ding ding ding

What percent of child abuse is committed by men who first try to blur kids’ boundaries around sex?

Not every drag queen is a danger, but many people who really are a danger would be interested in being in that kind of situation

Some decisions are pretty easy

How is reading books sexual?

Being deliberately obtuse isn’t going to get you anywhere

Seriously. How is a drag queen reading a book sexual? Or “blurring boundaries”?

If you don’t think a man dressing as an over the top woman is blurring boundaries, I don’t know what to tell you.

So then you really mean blurring boundaries of gender?

It is blurring the boundaries of both sex and gender. Do you know the difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are these performers being compensated when they perform at public libraries and how much?

The same way Spider-Man and Elsa are.

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Anonymous wrote:How are these performers being compensated when they perform at public libraries and how much?

The same way Spider-Man and Elsa are.

Which is how?

[Anonymous]

Why do parents feel the nee to block out protesters? If the intent is to educate kids then they should be educated that not everyone supports every activity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How are these performers being compensated when they perform at public libraries and how much?

The same way Spider-Man and Elsa are.

Which is how?

How do you think they might be compensated?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do parents feel the nee to block out protesters? If the intent is to educate kids then they should be educated that not everyone supports every activity.

You support protest but not support counter protests?

[Anonymous]

let's try a different angle

it doesn't matter how accepting kids are of people dressed up as cartoon characters, because they will likely never encounter them IRL

it doesn't matter how accepting kids are of aggressively nonconformist adult strangers, EXCEPT to the extent that a positive disposition towards them will in general expose the kid to more danger (if you're a parent, have you ever told a kid to steer clear of someone who was behaving oddly or seemed very off or different - be honest)

it does matter that kids are accepting of their peers (and family members and family friends) despite any differences

it matters that adults behave courteously towards other law-abiding adults, despite any differences

since kids don't do drag, there's no particular reason to promote drag as a cuddly and fun thing to kids

thoughts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As long as it is all voluntary and appropriately advertised, then I don’t see the problem.

If people want to take their kids to this, that’s okay. If people don’t want to take their kids, that’s okay too. What is not okay is if people are not provided options to decide for themselves.

So I would not be a fan of the public library just advertising a “story hour” and you would not be able to know if it was or was not a “drag queen story hour”.

It is important to distinguish this from just a trans person reading stories, which is different because a “drag queen” is a specific persona and in effect a costume.

That's an interesting point. But the library wouldn't need to disclose in advance that Elsa or Alice in Wonderland might show up at story time. Why is that, do you think? What is it about the persona of a Drag Queen that differentiates it from just any fictional female character? Could it be that they are males who are pantomiming female sexuality, and those personas exist to entertain adult patrons in adult spaces regarding sexual themes?

A drag performer is traditionally a cisgender gay man. Some trans people as well as cisgender women do drag now as well. The thing that some people that aren't familiar with drag don't seem to understand is that a drag queen is a character putting on a performance.

A trans woman normally takes hormones which changes the shape of her body/face and make her grow breasts as well as a host of other things that happen on estrogen. There are a lot of possible surgeries that trans women can get. Some get all, some get none. Trans women live their entire lives as women. Sometimes you'll see a really cringy looking trans woman but that's usually early in transition. After a few years, most have the goal of just blending in as best as they can because they just want to live a normal life like they did before. But now as a woman because that matches how they felt inside.

When a drag queen takes off the costume, he's a man under it. A trans woman looks like (or does her best to look like) and lives as a woman all the time.

Yes, I'm the PP and I understand all of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just something else to do. Always looking for new things to do on the weekends - mainly for me because I think my kid would be fine going to the same park forever, but I need some new kid-friendly experiences mixed in.

Would you be ok if your child asked your husband to dress up and put make up next time they want a bed time story. I’m sorry but it is weird.

If my husband were good with it, it wouldn’t bother me at all. What’s your objection, exactly, other than “weird”?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do parents feel the nee to block out protesters? If the intent is to educate kids then they should be educated that not everyone supports every activity.

I don’t think the proud boys have the best interest of my children. Or anyone.

[Anonymous]

Can we have a Hooters story hour? I bet those girls are really entertaining too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we have a Hooters story hour? I bet those girls are really entertaining too.

exactly

come on, you knuckle-draggers, there's nothing sexual about reading!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As long as it is all voluntary and appropriately advertised, then I don’t see the problem.

If people want to take their kids to this, that’s okay. If people don’t want to take their kids, that’s okay too. What is not okay is if people are not provided options to decide for themselves.

So I would not be a fan of the public library just advertising a “story hour” and you would not be able to know if it was or was not a “drag queen story hour”.

It is important to distinguish this from just a trans person reading stories, which is different because a “drag queen” is a specific persona and in effect a costume.

That's an interesting point. But the library wouldn't need to disclose in advance that Elsa or Alice in Wonderland might show up at story time. Why is that, do you think? What is it about the persona of a Drag Queen that differentiates it from just any fictional female character? Could it be that they are males who are pantomiming female sexuality, and those personas exist to entertain adult patrons in adult spaces regarding sexual themes?

A drag performer is traditionally a cisgender gay man. Some trans people as well as cisgender women do drag now as well. The thing that some people that aren't familiar with drag don't seem to understand is that a drag queen is a character putting on a performance.

A trans woman normally takes hormones which changes the shape of her body/face and make her grow breasts as well as a host of other things that happen on estrogen. There are a lot of possible surgeries that trans women can get. Some get all, some get none. Trans women live their entire lives as women. Sometimes you'll see a really cringy looking trans woman but that's usually early in transition. After a few years, most have the goal of just blending in as best as they can because they just want to live a normal life like they did before. But now as a woman because that matches how they felt inside.

When a drag queen takes off the costume, he's a man under it. A trans woman looks like (or does her best to look like) and lives as a woman all the time.

If you are a cisgender man portraying a caricature of women to children, this is helpful exactly…how? These story times are being branded as a way to promote acceptance. The proponents of drag queen story time can’t seem to agree on who exactly the drag queens are and what are their purpose at a story time is. You all might want to tighten up your story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re fun. That’s it. There’s nothing sexual about them

If you say so. Do you ever ask yourself why these men want to be around young children. If they were not dressed up in these outfits would you still take your kids to see a random man read stories. For some reason the customers and make up somehow make it acceptable.

Ding ding ding

What percent of child abuse is committed by men who first try to blur kids’ boundaries around sex?

Not every drag queen is a danger, but many people who really are a danger would be interested in being in that kind of situation

Some decisions are pretty easy

How is reading books sexual?

Being deliberately obtuse isn’t going to get you anywhere

Seriously. How is a drag queen reading a book sexual? Or “blurring boundaries”?

If you don’t think a man dressing as an over the top woman is blurring boundaries, I don’t know what to tell you.

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Agree. But I would go a step further and argue that drag queens are not just males performing femininity, but they are males pantomiming female sexuality. That is what drag queens do, and that is what drag performance is all about. Their personas don't exist in a benign non-sexualized context like a Disney princess. Drag Queens have always blurred the lines between what is and is not acceptable. And DQSH is now blurring boundaries between adult entertainment and child entertainment, between traditionally adult sexual themes and "family-friendly". Teaching your kids that Drag Queens (adult males who perform female sexuality) are for children is very much desensitizing your kids to appropriate boundaries and behavior regarding sex. And your child can't consent.

Tell me you don't understand drag without telling me you don't understand drag.

And when someone has their kids watch The Little Mermaid, and Ursula comes onscreen with her gigantic boobs and gyrates around singing about "body language," is that also desensitizing your kids to appropriate boundaries and behavior regarding sex?

Yeah, I've always had a problem with Ursula, who was in reality based on an actual drag queen. It's an oversexualized female villain as portrayed by a male cartoonist who was inspired by a male-created oversexualixed appropriated caricature of a female, traditionally performed by a male for a male audience. It is performative, appropriated, male-centric sexuality, and the male gaze magnified by 1000. The real antidote to DQSH would be lesbian story hour, where lesbians wear comfortable clothes and read age appropriate books about accepting yourself as you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re fun. That’s it. There’s nothing sexual about them

If you say so. Do you ever ask yourself why these men want to be around young children. If they were not dressed up in these outfits would you still take your kids to see a random man read stories. For some reason the customers and make up somehow make it acceptable.

Ding ding ding

What percent of child abuse is committed by men who first try to blur kids’ boundaries around sex?

Not every drag queen is a danger, but many people who really are a danger would be interested in being in that kind of situation

Some decisions are pretty easy

How is reading books sexual?

Being deliberately obtuse isn’t going to get you anywhere

Seriously. How is a drag queen reading a book sexual? Or “blurring boundaries”?

If you don’t think a man dressing as an over the top woman is blurring boundaries, I don’t know what to tell you.

+1

Agree. But I would go a step further and argue that drag queens are not just males performing femininity, but they are males pantomiming female sexuality. That is what drag queens do, and that is what drag performance is all about. Their personas don't exist in a benign non-sexualized context like a Disney princess. Drag Queens have always blurred the lines between what is and is not acceptable. And DQSH is now blurring boundaries between adult entertainment and child entertainment, between traditionally adult sexual themes and "family-friendly". Teaching your kids that Drag Queens (adult males who perform female sexuality) are for children is very much desensitizing your kids to appropriate boundaries and behavior regarding sex. And your child can't consent.

Tell me you don't understand drag without telling me you don't understand drag.

And when someone has their kids watch The Little Mermaid, and Ursula comes onscreen with her gigantic boobs and gyrates around singing about "body language," is that also desensitizing your kids to appropriate boundaries and behavior regarding sex?

Yeah, I've always had a problem with Ursula, who was in reality based on an actual drag queen. It's an oversexualized female villain as portrayed by a male cartoonist who was inspired by a male-created oversexualixed appropriated caricature of a female, traditionally performed by a male for a male audience. It is performative, appropriated, male-centric sexuality, and the male gaze magnified by 1000. The real antidote to DQSH would be lesbian story hour, where lesbians wear comfortable clothes and read age appropriate books about accepting yourself as you are.

As someone who thinks drag is fundamentally misogynist at heart and rooted in very problematic sexist tropes, I would 100% have my kid attend the bolded. Now THAT would be actually empowering.