APS overdose at Wakefield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a pill is laced with fentanyl, I think someone who mistakenly takes it should be considered a victim of poisoning, not ODing.

When someone ODs, they take too much of a drug they intended to take. '

When someone is poisoned, they are given a harmful dose of a drug they had no intention of taking.

+1000

I think it’s referred to as an accidental overdose, but I get what you’re saying. Maybe it would help with the stigma. It really does seem “one pill can kill” needs to be repeated and publicized heavily among youth.

It's not accidental if the kid took a pill on purpose. But kids aren't taking these pills thinking they are fentanyl, are they? Are they just taking them and they get more fentanyl than they intended? I don't think so. So it really isn't an accidental overdose.

They are being poisoned. People are deliberately poisoning kids, teens, others with fentanyl by adding it to other drugs that the kids do intend to take.

If someone was adding grains of fentanyl to, say Starbucks coffee grounds (a legal drug) and a kid bought the coffee, thinking it was coffee, and got some fentanyl and died or was sent to the hospital - would you say he had an accidental overdose? Or that he was poisoned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

Yeah, I'm the poster talking about fentanyl now but I don't think it's known if that was the case here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So damn horrible!

If you want to support the family:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-my-family-raise-money-for-my-cousins-funeral?

Very sad if he did die.

Doesn’t $15k seem high for a funeral? Would that include medical bills?

You want to gripe about go fund me expenses? Check out the thread about Lindsay Clancy which links to a go fund me for her husband for his expenses. The GOAL was $1 million and that was met quickly.

I DGAF if the funeral costs less than $15k. Many of us are happy to contribute to help his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So damn horrible!

If you want to support the family:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-my-family-raise-money-for-my-cousins-funeral?

Very sad if he did die.

Doesn’t $15k seem high for a funeral? Would that include medical bills?

You want to gripe about go fund me expenses? Check out the thread about Lindsay Clancy which links to a go fund me for her husband for his expenses. The GOAL was $1 million and that was met quickly.

I DGAF if the funeral costs less than $15k. Many of us are happy to contribute to help his family.

I paid 8K for an inexpensive funeral in the mid 1990s. So 15K seems low to me.

[Anonymous]

For those of you interested in learning more about the drug situation in the US, I suggest Smugglers.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/shows/to-catch-a-smuggler

It's also on Disney+

I've learned a lot about how to smuggle and get caught. I've also learned about fentanyl, all the ways it gets here and why drug sellers use it. They are not trying to kill people. That part is apparently an accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse.

That's a really good point. I am an elementary school teacher and once or twice a year I have kids who are just very sleepy in my class. (Usually they admit they stayed up late gaming...) and sometimes, I just let them put their heads down and rest and don't bother them about it. But I will rethink that policy now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse.

That's a really good point. I am an elementary school teacher and once or twice a year I have kids who are just very sleepy in my class. (Usually they admit they stayed up late gaming...) and sometimes, I just let them put their heads down and rest and don't bother them about it. But I will rethink that policy now.

For elementary, it’s probably true they’re just really tired. And it’s also true that my high school kids are tired. But an unconscious teenager who took a perc laced with fent looks a lot like a heavily sleeping teen. I simply can’t risk it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

As a parent, this is terrifying. I am so sorry for you. We have failed our children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

Thank you for this post - I never thought of that. I'm sorry that teaching has turned into this for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

Thank you for this post - I never thought of that. I'm sorry that teaching has turned into this for you.

It is terrible for us and the kids. We were given CPR face shields as a staff last week because people might have to administer CPR in their classroom but also be worried about breathing in air from the child they’re giving chest compressions to. And the reason we were told WE might have to administer CPR is this is an event that happens frequently enough that it is very likely we could call to the nurse for an emergency in our room and she is already responding to another emergency in another room and it’s on us. This is why we were also told to get narcan doses to keep in our bags. The kids are so used to seeing ambulances roll up or our school go into a “hold” for a medical emergency that they just go “oh someone OD’d” and don’t believe us even when we say it could be lots of different things that aren’t an OD. The kid is back at school a few days later and the band plays on and on. And oh yeah, we’re supposed to somehow make kids feel safe and able to learn in this environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

Thank you for this post - I never thought of that. I'm sorry that teaching has turned into this for you.

It is terrible for us and the kids. We were given CPR face shields as a staff last week because people might have to administer CPR in their classroom but also be worried about breathing in air from the child they’re giving chest compressions to. And the reason we were told WE might have to administer CPR is this is an event that happens frequently enough that it is very likely we could call to the nurse for an emergency in our room and she is already responding to another emergency in another room and it’s on us. This is why we were also told to get narcan doses to keep in our bags. The kids are so used to seeing ambulances roll up or our school go into a “hold” for a medical emergency that they just go “oh someone OD’d” and don’t believe us even when we say it could be lots of different things that aren’t an OD. The kid is back at school a few days later and the band plays on and on. And oh yeah, we’re supposed to somehow make kids feel safe and able to learn in this environment.

Are you a teacher at Wakefield?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

Thank you for this post - I never thought of that. I'm sorry that teaching has turned into this for you.

It is terrible for us and the kids. We were given CPR face shields as a staff last week because people might have to administer CPR in their classroom but also be worried about breathing in air from the child they’re giving chest compressions to. And the reason we were told WE might have to administer CPR is this is an event that happens frequently enough that it is very likely we could call to the nurse for an emergency in our room and she is already responding to another emergency in another room and it’s on us. This is why we were also told to get narcan doses to keep in our bags. The kids are so used to seeing ambulances roll up or our school go into a “hold” for a medical emergency that they just go “oh someone OD’d” and don’t believe us even when we say it could be lots of different things that aren’t an OD. The kid is back at school a few days later and the band plays on and on. And oh yeah, we’re supposed to somehow make kids feel safe and able to learn in this environment.

Are you a teacher at Wakefield?

No. I am a teacher at another area high school. We are all dealing with this very same thing though to varying degrees. It’s probably worse at my school than Wakefield but none of these high schools are immune to this, not the wealthiest nor the poorest. The kids do not understand how the game has changed w/r/t popping pills. Their brains developmentally actually can’t process the real risk and how vulnerable they are to one bad pill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I came late to this thread, did someone at the school administer narcan? I thought that was a pretty reliable antidote to fentanyl overdose. I hope all schools have narcan readily available.

I dont think it has ever been confirmed it was fentanyl (you can OD on reg percocet or opiods or stimulants or cough syrup. But anyway, narcan doesn't always work and obviously needs to be administered timely in order to work at all. We have no idea how long the kid was down.

This is the big problem: we in the school have no idea how long a kid has been affected. They’re being found in the bathroom after being gone a long time and some kid sees them or an adult goes to check. I never let kids sleep in my class for this very reason, but at my school, twice kids have only been discovered to be in severe medical distress (needing narcan and chest compressions) after people assumed they were sleeping and didn’t rouse them. I tell my students all the time, I do not know what is in your body. If you can’t stay awake in my class, I need you to go nap with the nurse. It’s not a game anymore. And yes schools have narcan but I need you to realize we are at an absolute crisis when teachers and school staff now have to be expected to regularly administer life saving narcotic medications to students. Like this is a dystopia. School as you know it is a dead institution; what we are working with is some bizarre ghost ship that claims to be School but functions as a completely different thing now. As a teacher it is honestly impossible to even process what the hell has happened to schools.

Thank you for this post - I never thought of that. I'm sorry that teaching has turned into this for you.

+1. My cousin and brother are teachers and they have said the sane regarding how awful schools have become. And a lot of time the parents as well.