Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

DP

Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they would plan to release the video late on a Friday. Makes sense for a white house press release they don't want to draw attention to, but if you are worried about protests that could get violent Friday afternoon seems like the worst possible time.

I don't think releasing the video on a Tuesday afternoon would be any better.

If people are scheduled to be at work at 9am Wednesday, they’re less likely to be out protesting (with potential for things to go off the rails) in the wee hours of Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. Friday night, people often stay out late because it’s the start of the weekend, the. There’s a whole weekend for protesting and possibilities. I’m hopeful that the way it’s being handled so far will let people feel heard and hopefully everyone stays safe.

The people who work at 9AM on Wednesdays are typically not the people protesting. They're the ones whose lives the protestors are trying to disrupt.

As horrific as this video is described to be, and as often as crimes like this are swept under the rug, I'm guessing it's going to enrage and motivate a lot of people to want to bring about change.

Also, why do you think protesters don't have day jobs? Would you care to explain what you mean?

Exactly what change do people want?

I personally, as a family member of many police officers would like a way for a cop to report bad cops without retaliation. Good cops can report bad cops in the current system.

Do you know what "thin blue line" is? Do you know what "blue lives matters" means.

it means snitches get stiches or at least no backup.

100% agree. Hey, I want cops on the beat. I want crime dealt with. I don't want a bunch of exfootball players (most of those 5 cops were) using their job as an excuse to take out their anger and aggression out in citizens. I genuinely believe cops should have regularly scheduled counseling and therapy as part of their normal jobs. And obviously better training.

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Anonymous wrote:Was he murdered in front of his house?

100 yards away.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

What other professions are killing civilians while claiming to protect and serve?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

DP

Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.

Please don’t compare cops to being a gang member. They are supposed to protect and serve the public, Not just each other.
If you can stand by and watch your coworker murder another human for no good reason and not say anything you are in the wrong career and you are no better than a common gang member.

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Why are any police trained to pepper spray a suspect in the face to de-escalate and get them to put their hands DOWN. Wouldn't pepper spray cause them to cover their eyes and flail? I don't understand how pepper spray would help many situations. If someone is under the influence especially.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

Why do you think something is wrong with so many men?

Maybe because a staggering majority of the violent crime in this world is committed by men. Sterilize violent offenders.

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Those fat disgusting cops shouldn't be eligible to wear the uniform simply for being so out of shape.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are any police trained to pepper spray a suspect in the face to de-escalate and get them to put their hands DOWN. Wouldn't pepper spray cause them to cover their eyes and flail? I don't understand how pepper spray would help many situations. If someone is under the influence especially.

De-escalation is definitely an important skill, but once someone decides to fight/resist, it's game on. I'm assuming you haven't been pepper sprayed. It is miserable and makes it much more difficult to fight. Even if you know how to fight, it screws up your vision, distance, timing, etc. These guys were a total disaster. Not a single one had any skills, athleticism, strength, or even a basic idea of what to do. And they were significantly larger than the suspect. I'm assuming they all carry tasers, but nobody deployed a taser except for the officer at the original traffic stop. And then officers showed up and just stood around and didn't know what to do. The whole video is just weird and all over the place, it's as if they were never trained.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

What happened is horrific, but most of us don't engage in conduct that prompts an arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

What happened is horrific, but most of us don't engage in conduct that prompts an arrest.

Reckless driving, if even true, isn’t usually conduct that prompts arrest

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

What happened is horrific, but most of us don't engage in conduct that prompts an arrest.

What was he being arrested for? I didn't see any law enforcement going on, I just saw a bunch of cops decide to beat the crap out of some random guy. And then let him suffer for half hour without any medical attention while they got their stories straight ("he went for my gun" "he was on drugs" etc etc) And no way this was the first time these guys did this - they seemed well-practiced.

How many thousands of black men have been murdered like this - lynched, basically - over the years by cops who claimed they were justified in using force?

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His poor mother. Asleep in her bed while 100 yards away her child was being beaten to death in the street. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are any police trained to pepper spray a suspect in the face to de-escalate and get them to put their hands DOWN. Wouldn't pepper spray cause them to cover their eyes and flail? I don't understand how pepper spray would help many situations. If someone is under the influence especially.

De-escalation is definitely an important skill, but once someone decides to fight/resist, it's game on. I'm assuming you haven't been pepper sprayed. It is miserable and makes it much more difficult to fight. Even if you know how to fight, it screws up your vision, distance, timing, etc. These guys were a total disaster. Not a single one had any skills, athleticism, strength, or even a basic idea of what to do. And they were significantly larger than the suspect. I'm assuming they all carry tasers, but nobody deployed a taser except for the officer at the original traffic stop. And then officers showed up and just stood around and didn't know what to do. The whole video is just weird and all over the place, it's as if they were never trained.

And is that what they want you to think? As if they were never trained except they are saying all the right things....and on camera. Give me your hands! Give me your hands! Like when kids hit another kid and say stop hitting yourself.

Or he runs so fast and won't stop fighting because hes.so high he must be so high.

Or how the one guy keeps telling the story of how he almost rammed his car into the cruiser but came to a nice stop at a red light and then started swinging coming out the car while also reaching for his gun.

Nah. They got an audience for a show and for the story to be told. Are they inept- possibly. Are they also manipulating facts as they occur- yep. They can be both. You can be inept and also wield it as a weapon.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are any police trained to pepper spray a suspect in the face to de-escalate and get them to put their hands DOWN. Wouldn't pepper spray cause them to cover their eyes and flail? I don't understand how pepper spray would help many situations. If someone is under the influence especially.

De-escalation is definitely an important skill, but once someone decides to fight/resist, it's game on. I'm assuming you haven't been pepper sprayed. It is miserable and makes it much more difficult to fight. Even if you know how to fight, it screws up your vision, distance, timing, etc. These guys were a total disaster. Not a single one had any skills, athleticism, strength, or even a basic idea of what to do. And they were significantly larger than the suspect. I'm assuming they all carry tasers, but nobody deployed a taser except for the officer at the original traffic stop. And then officers showed up and just stood around and didn't know what to do. The whole video is just weird and all over the place, it's as if they were never trained.

And is that what they want you to think? As if they were never trained except they are saying all the right things....and on camera. Give me your hands! Give me your hands! Like when kids hit another kid and say stop hitting yourself.

Or he runs so fast and won't stop fighting because hes.so high he must be so high.

Or how the one guy keeps telling the story of how he almost rammed his car into the cruiser but came to a nice stop at a red light and then started swinging coming out the car while also reaching for his gun.

Nah. They got an audience for a show and for the story to be told. Are they inept- possibly. Are they also manipulating facts as they occur- yep. They can be both. You can be inept and also wield it as a weapon.

Yes violent excessive force by police is both inept and dangerous.

Agree with PP that dual measures are needed to help reduce these police inflicted tragedies: (1) Longer better police training that covers appropriate levels of force and deescalation strategies; and (2) ongoing counseling/ mental health care for managing highly stressful work.