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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why are any police trained to pepper spray a suspect in the face to de-escalate and get them to put their hands DOWN.  Wouldn't pepper spray cause them to cover their eyes and flail?  I don't understand how pepper spray would help many situations.  If someone is under the influence especially.  [/quote]

De-escalation is definitely an important skill, but once someone decides to fight/resist, it's game on. I'm assuming you haven't been pepper sprayed. It is miserable and makes it much more difficult to fight. Even if you know how to fight, it screws up your vision, distance, timing, etc. These guys were a total disaster. Not a single one had any skills, athleticism, strength, or even a basic idea of what to do. And they were significantly larger than the suspect. I'm assuming they all carry tasers, but nobody deployed a taser except for the officer at the original traffic stop. And then officers showed up and just stood around and didn't know what to do. The whole video is just weird and all over the place, it's as if they were never trained.[/quote]

And is that what they want you to think? As if they were never trained except they are saying all the right things....and on camera. Give me your hands! Give me your hands! Like when kids hit another kid and say stop hitting yourself.

Or he runs so fast and won't stop fighting because hes.so high he must be so high.

Or how the one guy keeps telling the story of how he almost rammed his car into the cruiser but came to a nice stop at a red light and then started swinging coming out the car while also reaching for his gun.

Nah. They got an audience for a show and for the story to be told. Are they inept- possibly. Are they also manipulating facts as they occur- yep. They can be both. You can be inept and also wield it as a weapon. [/quote]

Yes violent excessive force by police is both inept and dangerous.

Agree with PP that dual measures are needed to help reduce these police inflicted tragedies: (1) Longer better police training that covers appropriate levels of force and deescalation strategies; and (2) ongoing counseling/ mental health care for managing highly stressful work.[/quote]

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