62 yo man killed in Silver Spring garage

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Anonymous wrote:The police have got to do a better job in DTSS. It seems to attract youth from neighboring areas and shootings have gotten out of control. Years ago, it wasn't like this. It's a shame and I feel sorry for the businesses that will suffer when people don't feel safe going there anymore.

There have only been a few people shot in DTSS in the last few years. Lots of other crimes, lots of gunshots at night with no one reported hit, but there isn’t an epidemic of people being shot.

And what do you mean about attracting youth from neighboring areas? Bringing in people who don’t live in 20910 is a goal of the area. 20910 residents can’t support businesses on our own. We want people to come from all over to shop, eat, and enjoy entertainment and recreation venues. Most youth are not committing any crimes. They are however, often working class and Black or Brown which triggers the gentrifiers. Not louder than WJ and Churchill kids at Montgomery Mall. Not ruder than kids at Whitman, Wootten,or MoCo’s private HSs.

WJ, Churchill, Wooten, Whitman, and private school kids are not shooting people in parking garage stairwells.

Neither are my sons and their friends who like to go to SS to movies and the like.

Are you afraid that they may be victims of violence going out in SS? Do you give them any advice to take precautions?

DP. My son, daughter, and their friends hang out in DTSS 2-3 times a week. I worry more that the boys (all AA and African honor students at Blair) will be harassed or physically harmed by the police than I worry they will be robbed, stabbed, or shot by criminals.

^^^ this is why people should probably just move if they dont agree with reduced policing. MoCo is absolutely enacting a plan to further reduce police contact with residents in the less wealthy areas. As you can see, this is a welcome measure by many residents. I sold my house and left. It will only get worse from here in terms of crime. But thats what democracy us about. The people have spoken.

They are making police contact equal to the all white areas.

What does that mean?

Do you know what pretext stops are?

FYI, I am very obviously white and when I was in my late 20s, I was pulled over three times in Moco in the span of three years for pretextual reasons: (1) light over license plate had gone out, (2) not coming to a complete stop before making a right turn on red (I actually did), and (3) one cop pulled me over, and then was quickly joined by two others who all surrounded me; but they never gave me any explanation and let me go after about 15 minutes. No tickets for any of this (well, I was issued a notice to get the license plate light fixed, and I had to have it signed by a police officer at a police station once I completed the repair). Each time, I fully complied with the officers and went on my way. Pretextual stops can happen to anyone. Just comply with the officer instructions if you have really done nothing wrong; it's not that hard.

So you agree they happen in Montgomery county. So you now know why it’s so dangerous because black people comply and die and white people fight and don’t die. You stayed safe because you were white.

Also 3x is not a lot in 3 years, shows how easy it is to be white in moco.

It’s actually funny you wrote it like 3 was a lot.

Umm, I didn't fight. Sorry that you think fighting is an appropriate way to handle a police encounter. I was polite and respectful, even when three cop cards surrounded me for no reason. I stayed safe because I didn't fight.

BTW, I have had more times that I have been pulled over since then. The three I first described were all from when I first moved here. Since then, I was pulled over for being passed due on the emissions test (I never got the notice). Another time, one of my headlights was out and I hadn't realized it. Oh, and once in downtown SS, a cop even stopped me for jaywalking and gave me a lecture, even though the two-lane road was totally free from cars. No tickets for any of these.

Can you provide a cite to any instance in Moco where a black person complied with officer instructions, wasn't displaying a weapon, and died?

I know there's a narrative that white people are not pulled over for stupid stuff, but it happens. I don't care.

You stayed safe because you’re White and didn’t fight. There are plenty of eyewitness accounts and even video that show Black, Latino, and Indigenous drivers not fighting and being beaten or even killed.

I know it wasn’t in MoCo, but surely you haven’t already forgotten about George Floyd? POC can do everything right and still end up dead.

“Everything right?”

“Hoop” narcotics?
Pass counterfeit money?
Fight the police?

George Floyd died of an overdose and his own stupidity, assisted on his way by at least one stupid cop.

What do you blame Philando Castile for?

Deaths like Floyd and Castile are of course tragic and should not have happened but that’s two in the past several years. How many more people have been senselessly killed by gun violence like the father in the SS parking garage? Just because Castile and Floyd died unnecessarily, that doesn’t mean reducing the number of police is the solution.

SS is quickly going to become a place that most people don’t want to visit anymore. And that’s a shame. But again, keep convincing yourself that the police are the problem. The criminals have totally won this battle and are probably overjoyed that regular folks are advocating on their behalf by ensuring that there are not enough police to keep up with them.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

That will never work. There will be a ton of bloodshed. And perhaps you don't care about gun owners but do you care about the police and military you want to send in to do that?

Unfortunately, while guns are a real problem, when we remove all firearms-related homicides from the stats, we STILL have a higher homicide rate than all other developed nations. And most of those don't have similar access to guns. We are a violent society, full stop. Planning out longer-term investments in making us less culturally violent would be more effective.

Hogwash.

A “ton of bloodshed”? Maybe, but only for the recalcitrants who didn’t turn in their guns. That’s what happens when you go up against the army. Too bad, so sad. As for the police and army dealing with them? They’re getting paid. Give them raises. They signed up for dangerous work. Compensate them accordingly.

As for your second claim, you provided no statistical data to back up your assertion. Although I’m inclined to agree that we are by nature a violent society - made so by the type of people who elected the previous president. All the more reason then to go after their guns.

I’ll concede that eliminating guns might still leave a few examples of people being murdered with knives or whatever other means. Fine. After we eliminate the guns, we can turn our attention to knives and deal with that in due course.

But for now, we must get the guns. That’s where it has to start.

You will be on the front line of confiscating guns, right? Or are you OK with other people dying just to make your point?

https://econofact.org/gun-violence-in-the-u-s

Weird flex, bro

Not really sure what your post is supposed to mean. I’m not a police officer nor am I in the army, so obliviously I will not be on any front line. I leave that to the professionals who volunteered for the job, accept any risks associated with it, and are compensated commensurately with that risk.

You right wingers are believers in market forces, right? So if the current police or army aren’t willing to do the job, we’ll either pay them more and maybe they change their minds, or we recruit others to do it instead. I’m sure there’s no shortage of immigrants who would be more than willing to get a high paying police job and accept the risk of disarming racist gun clingers. Let the free market handle it! A trumpie like you would applaud that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The police have got to do a better job in DTSS. It seems to attract youth from neighboring areas and shootings have gotten out of control. Years ago, it wasn't like this. It's a shame and I feel sorry for the businesses that will suffer when people don't feel safe going there anymore.

There have only been a few people shot in DTSS in the last few years. Lots of other crimes, lots of gunshots at night with no one reported hit, but there isn’t an epidemic of people being shot.

And what do you mean about attracting youth from neighboring areas? Bringing in people who don’t live in 20910 is a goal of the area. 20910 residents can’t support businesses on our own. We want people to come from all over to shop, eat, and enjoy entertainment and recreation venues. Most youth are not committing any crimes. They are however, often working class and Black or Brown which triggers the gentrifiers. Not louder than WJ and Churchill kids at Montgomery Mall. Not ruder than kids at Whitman, Wootten,or MoCo’s private HSs.

WJ, Churchill, Wooten, Whitman, and private school kids are not shooting people in parking garage stairwells.

Neither are my sons and their friends who like to go to SS to movies and the like.

Are you afraid that they may be victims of violence going out in SS? Do you give them any advice to take precautions?

DP. My son, daughter, and their friends hang out in DTSS 2-3 times a week. I worry more that the boys (all AA and African honor students at Blair) will be harassed or physically harmed by the police than I worry they will be robbed, stabbed, or shot by criminals.

^^^ this is why people should probably just move if they dont agree with reduced policing. MoCo is absolutely enacting a plan to further reduce police contact with residents in the less wealthy areas. As you can see, this is a welcome measure by many residents. I sold my house and left. It will only get worse from here in terms of crime. But thats what democracy us about. The people have spoken.

They are making police contact equal to the all white areas.

What does that mean?

Do you know what pretext stops are?

FYI, I am very obviously white and when I was in my late 20s, I was pulled over three times in Moco in the span of three years for pretextual reasons: (1) light over license plate had gone out, (2) not coming to a complete stop before making a right turn on red (I actually did), and (3) one cop pulled me over, and then was quickly joined by two others who all surrounded me; but they never gave me any explanation and let me go after about 15 minutes. No tickets for any of this (well, I was issued a notice to get the license plate light fixed, and I had to have it signed by a police officer at a police station once I completed the repair). Each time, I fully complied with the officers and went on my way. Pretextual stops can happen to anyone. Just comply with the officer instructions if you have really done nothing wrong; it's not that hard.

So you agree they happen in Montgomery county. So you now know why it’s so dangerous because black people comply and die and white people fight and don’t die. You stayed safe because you were white.

Also 3x is not a lot in 3 years, shows how easy it is to be white in moco.

It’s actually funny you wrote it like 3 was a lot.

Umm, I didn't fight. Sorry that you think fighting is an appropriate way to handle a police encounter. I was polite and respectful, even when three cop cards surrounded me for no reason. I stayed safe because I didn't fight.

BTW, I have had more times that I have been pulled over since then. The three I first described were all from when I first moved here. Since then, I was pulled over for being passed due on the emissions test (I never got the notice). Another time, one of my headlights was out and I hadn't realized it. Oh, and once in downtown SS, a cop even stopped me for jaywalking and gave me a lecture, even though the two-lane road was totally free from cars. No tickets for any of these.

Can you provide a cite to any instance in Moco where a black person complied with officer instructions, wasn't displaying a weapon, and died?

I know there's a narrative that white people are not pulled over for stupid stuff, but it happens. I don't care.

You stayed safe because you’re White and didn’t fight. There are plenty of eyewitness accounts and even video that show Black, Latino, and Indigenous drivers not fighting and being beaten or even killed.

I know it wasn’t in MoCo, but surely you haven’t already forgotten about George Floyd? POC can do everything right and still end up dead.

“Everything right?”

“Hoop” narcotics?
Pass counterfeit money?
Fight the police?

George Floyd died of an overdose and his own stupidity, assisted on his way by at least one stupid cop.

What do you blame Philando Castile for?

Deaths like Floyd and Castile are of course tragic and should not have happened but that’s two in the past several years. How many more people have been senselessly killed by gun violence like the father in the SS parking garage? Just because Castile and Floyd died unnecessarily, that doesn’t mean reducing the number of police is the solution.

SS is quickly going to become a place that most people don’t want to visit anymore. And that’s a shame. But again, keep convincing yourself that the police are the problem. The criminals have totally won this battle and are probably overjoyed that regular folks are advocating on their behalf by ensuring that there are not enough police to keep up with them.

https://sayevery.name/

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Philandro Castile was carrying a gun. He. Was. Carrying. A. Gun. Period. Full stop.

Let’s not make him out to be some kind of martyred saint, m’k?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

I'm not a "Trumpie". But I guess thats your rhetorical bit huh? Anyone that disagrees with your extremist and unrealistic option is branded a Trump person. Got it. Freat discourse, thanks for coming in.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

I'm not a "Trumpie". But I guess thats your rhetorical bit huh? Anyone that disagrees with your extremist and unrealistic option is branded a Trump person. Got it. Freat discourse, thanks for coming in.

DP (and also not a “Trumpie”)

What the poster above is suggesting would be a form of over-policing that current politicians would NEVER support. The door-to-door witch hunt looking for guns would result in so much bloodshed. I agree on that point.

Since the current climate is to have FEWER police and FEWER consequences for lawbreakers, the idea of this martial law-esque roundup of guns just doesn’t work. I’d be happy if we could just hold lawbreakers more accountable than we currently are. Wouldn’t that be a good first step?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

I'm not a "Trumpie". But I guess thats your rhetorical bit huh? Anyone that disagrees with your extremist and unrealistic option is branded a Trump person. Got it. Freat discourse, thanks for coming in.

You’re all-in for letting people have guns. Or perhaps more accurately I should say that you clearly oppose taking guns out of the hands of the public. Guess what? That puts you in-league with the fascists who committed an insurrection, and cling to their guns.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck….. that’s you.

You might not think you’re a trumper, but you want what trumpers what.


See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

You're really taking this script far, aren't you? Recently in Cuba?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

I'm not a "Trumpie". But I guess thats your rhetorical bit huh? Anyone that disagrees with your extremist and unrealistic option is branded a Trump person. Got it. Freat discourse, thanks for coming in.

You’re all-in for letting people have guns. Or perhaps more accurately I should say that you clearly oppose taking guns out of the hands of the public. Guess what? That puts you in-league with the fascists who committed an insurrection, and cling to their guns.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck….. that’s you.

You might not think you’re a trumper, but you want what trumpers what.


See how that works?

I’m the DP from above (and therefore not the person to whom you are responding).

Disagreeing with you is not the same as being “all-in for letting people have guns.” There’s a wide range of possibilities between those two extremes. The suggestion of a mass roundup above is, well, illogical. The ship has sailed in the US. We have more guns than people and people can make ghost guns easily with a few purchases online. Having the military and the police round up guns? Have you really thought about what that would look like nationwide? What that would take?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun. Fewer guns would really help.

It’s too late. Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now.

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this.

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence.

The "lets round up all the guns" position is both not serious, and also impossible.

It is completely serious, and it is not impossible. The only thing required is the courage to implement it.

I was in Cuba recently. We walked around the streets of Santiago without the slightest concern in the world that we would be robbed at gun point or fall victim to a mass shooter’s killing spree or be hit by a stray bullet from a criminal. Absolutely ZERO fear. None. Nada.

Compare that with America, where you take your life in your hands just buying groceries.

What’s the difference? No one in Cuba has a gun. Period.

See how that works, trumpie?

I'm not a "Trumpie". But I guess thats your rhetorical bit huh? Anyone that disagrees with your extremist and unrealistic option is branded a Trump person. Got it. Freat discourse, thanks for coming in.

You’re all-in for letting people have guns. Or perhaps more accurately I should say that you clearly oppose taking guns out of the hands of the public. Guess what? That puts you in-league with the fascists who committed an insurrection, and cling to their guns.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck….. that’s you.

You might not think you’re a trumper, but you want what trumpers what.


See how that works?

Strawman now. Sweet.

I favor gun control. Pretty strong control in fact. I'd love if there were fewer guns in the country. But me not favoring a "door-to-door mandatory gun turn-in" now somehow makes me some sort of MAGA person by your math. OK then.

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Anonymous wrote:Philandro Castile was carrying a gun. He. Was. Carrying. A. Gun. Period. Full stop.

Let’s not make him out to be some kind of martyred saint, m’k?

He was legally allowed to have one. What’s your point?

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Anonymous wrote:The police have got to do a better job in DTSS. It seems to attract youth from neighboring areas and shootings have gotten out of control. Years ago, it wasn't like this. It's a shame and I feel sorry for the businesses that will suffer when people don't feel safe going there anymore.

There have only been a few people shot in DTSS in the last few years. Lots of other crimes, lots of gunshots at night with no one reported hit, but there isn’t an epidemic of people being shot.

And what do you mean about attracting youth from neighboring areas? Bringing in people who don’t live in 20910 is a goal of the area. 20910 residents can’t support businesses on our own. We want people to come from all over to shop, eat, and enjoy entertainment and recreation venues. Most youth are not committing any crimes. They are however, often working class and Black or Brown which triggers the gentrifiers. Not louder than WJ and Churchill kids at Montgomery Mall. Not ruder than kids at Whitman, Wootten,or MoCo’s private HSs.

WJ, Churchill, Wooten, Whitman, and private school kids are not shooting people in parking garage stairwells.

Neither are my sons and their friends who like to go to SS to movies and the like.

Are you afraid that they may be victims of violence going out in SS? Do you give them any advice to take precautions?

DP. My son, daughter, and their friends hang out in DTSS 2-3 times a week. I worry more that the boys (all AA and African honor students at Blair) will be harassed or physically harmed by the police than I worry they will be robbed, stabbed, or shot by criminals.

^^^ this is why people should probably just move if they dont agree with reduced policing. MoCo is absolutely enacting a plan to further reduce police contact with residents in the less wealthy areas. As you can see, this is a welcome measure by many residents. I sold my house and left. It will only get worse from here in terms of crime. But thats what democracy us about. The people have spoken.

They are making police contact equal to the all white areas.

What does that mean?

Do you know what pretext stops are?

FYI, I am very obviously white and when I was in my late 20s, I was pulled over three times in Moco in the span of three years for pretextual reasons: (1) light over license plate had gone out, (2) not coming to a complete stop before making a right turn on red (I actually did), and (3) one cop pulled me over, and then was quickly joined by two others who all surrounded me; but they never gave me any explanation and let me go after about 15 minutes. No tickets for any of this (well, I was issued a notice to get the license plate light fixed, and I had to have it signed by a police officer at a police station once I completed the repair). Each time, I fully complied with the officers and went on my way. Pretextual stops can happen to anyone. Just comply with the officer instructions if you have really done nothing wrong; it's not that hard.

So you agree they happen in Montgomery county. So you now know why it’s so dangerous because black people comply and die and white people fight and don’t die. You stayed safe because you were white.

Also 3x is not a lot in 3 years, shows how easy it is to be white in moco.

It’s actually funny you wrote it like 3 was a lot.

Umm, I didn't fight. Sorry that you think fighting is an appropriate way to handle a police encounter. I was polite and respectful, even when three cop cards surrounded me for no reason. I stayed safe because I didn't fight.

BTW, I have had more times that I have been pulled over since then. The three I first described were all from when I first moved here. Since then, I was pulled over for being passed due on the emissions test (I never got the notice). Another time, one of my headlights was out and I hadn't realized it. Oh, and once in downtown SS, a cop even stopped me for jaywalking and gave me a lecture, even though the two-lane road was totally free from cars. No tickets for any of these.

Can you provide a cite to any instance in Moco where a black person complied with officer instructions, wasn't displaying a weapon, and died?

I know there's a narrative that white people are not pulled over for stupid stuff, but it happens. I don't care.

You stayed safe because you’re White and didn’t fight. There are plenty of eyewitness accounts and even video that show Black, Latino, and Indigenous drivers not fighting and being beaten or even killed.

I know it wasn’t in MoCo, but surely you haven’t already forgotten about George Floyd? POC can do everything right and still end up dead.

“Everything right?”

“Hoop” narcotics?
Pass counterfeit money?
Fight the police?

George Floyd died of an overdose and his own stupidity, assisted on his way by at least one stupid cop.

What do you blame Philando Castile for?

Deaths like Floyd and Castile are of course tragic and should not have happened but that’s two in the past several years. How many more people have been senselessly killed by gun violence like the father in the SS parking garage? Just because Castile and Floyd died unnecessarily, that doesn’t mean reducing the number of police is the solution.

SS is quickly going to become a place that most people don’t want to visit anymore. And that’s a shame. But again, keep convincing yourself that the police are the problem. The criminals have totally won this battle and are probably overjoyed that regular folks are advocating on their behalf by ensuring that there are not enough police to keep up with them.

https://sayevery.name/

I clicked on a couple of folks on that page, and their deaths had nothing to do with police officers. So if your point was that we need more police to prevent these senseless deaths, I totally agree.

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This thread has clearly been hijacked by our resident nra maga trolls. I’m out.

Alerting Jeff so he can lock it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The head in sand brigade that wants to make excuses for this murder say Silver Spring is no more dangerous than anywhere else and particularly DTSS near the transit station. They say that if you are near transit after dark in the DMV, you should expect violence. I am not the one who is arguing this. I am just asking questions about this because if it is true, then we should not want transit in our communities if we also have to accept the risk of getting murdered.

Who exactly is this "we" who should not want transit in "our" communities, and which transit are you saying "we" should not want? And why aren't you saying that "we" should not want parking garages, which is where the murder actually occurred?

And this is why I prefer Georgetown- there is no metro.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has clearly been hijacked by our resident nra maga trolls. I’m out.

Alerting Jeff so he can lock it.

I’m perfectly happy having this thread locked, but I don’t see how disagreeing with a dystopian door-to-door roundup of the nation’s millions of guns somehow makes me a NRA MAGA troll?

-not a gun owner, a MAGA type, or an officer. Just someone who doesn’t see that as a feasible option.