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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As someone who knew the man murdered and his family I also would really like it if we could focus on the actual issues at hand.

[b]I think the bigger issue is that we need to reduce the number of guns in our country.[/b]

I also know of a young woman in her early 20s who killed herself this week.

The common denominator in both deaths was that both people died by gun.  Fewer guns would really help.[/quote]

It’s too late.  Ghost guns were a game changer. People are making them on 3D printers now. [/quote]

I’ll bet you a quarter so called “ghost guns” had precisely nothing to do with this. [/quote]

Were you there? That’s a weird bet to make. They make up about a third of the illegal guns the police are recovering these days .[/quote]

As far as I’m concerned there’s absolutely no difference between a “illegal” gun and a legal gun. They ALL need to be illegal. Period. Ban them all. Give gun nutters a deadline to turn them in, and after that deadline, offer huge bounties or cash rewards for reporting people still in possession of gun(s). Locate people who had previously bought or registered guns and do random, unannounced searches of their homes or other property to ensure they aren’t hiding guns. Anyone caught with a gun after the law goes into effect goes to prison for life without parole. And use the army in conjunction with police to go after the holdouts who refuse to turn theirs in. That’s how you stop this epidemic of violence. [/quote]

That will never work.  There will be a ton of bloodshed.   And perhaps you don't care about gun owners but do you care about the police and military you want to send in to do that?

Unfortunately, while guns are a real problem, when we remove all firearms-related homicides from the stats, we STILL have a higher homicide rate than all other developed nations.  And most of those don't have similar access to guns.  We are a violent society, full stop.    Planning out longer-term investments in making us less culturally violent would be more effective.  [/quote]

Hogwash.

A “ton of bloodshed”? Maybe, but only for the recalcitrants who didn’t turn in their guns. That’s what happens when you go up against the army. Too bad, so sad. As for the police and army dealing with them? They’re getting paid. Give them raises. They signed up for dangerous work. Compensate them accordingly.

As for your second claim, you provided no statistical data to back up your assertion. Although I’m inclined to agree that we are by nature a violent society - made so by the type of people who elected the previous president. All the more reason then to go after their guns.

I’ll concede that eliminating guns might still leave a few examples of people being murdered with knives or whatever other means. Fine. After we eliminate the guns, we can turn our attention to knives and deal with that in due course.

But for now, we must get the guns. That’s where it has to start. [/quote]

You will be on the front line of confiscating guns, right?    Or are you OK with other people dying just to make your point?

https://econofact.org/gun-violence-in-the-u-s [/quote]

Weird flex, bro

Not really sure what your post is supposed to mean. I’m not a police officer nor am I in the army, so obliviously I will not be on any front line. I leave that to the professionals who volunteered for the job, accept any risks associated with it, and are compensated commensurately with that risk.

You right wingers are believers in market forces, right? So if the current police or army aren’t willing to do the job, we’ll either pay them more and maybe they change their minds, or we recruit others to do it instead. I’m sure there’s no shortage of immigrants who would be more than willing to get a high paying police job and accept the risk of disarming racist gun clingers. Let the free market handle it! A trumpie like you would applaud that, right?  [/quote]

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