NYU Prof fired because his class was too hard

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Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

The problem with increasing tuition, in large part, is that it makes students entitled consumers (note the nyu dean admitted to appeasing the tuition payers!!). But becoming educated requires significant exertion. The most engaging organic chemistry professor in the world will still need her students to work hard and study hard. Usually, there will be a natural curve. Instead, top universities (my DH teaches at one) require professors to give good grades… even when students haven’t mastered the material! It means that truly prepared students no longer stand out. It means mediocre and poor students pass. There will be consequences for the sham that higher education is becoming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

The problem with increasing tuition, in large part, is that it makes students entitled consumers (note the nyu dean admitted to appeasing the tuition payers!!). But becoming educated requires significant exertion. The most engaging organic chemistry professor in the world will still need her students to work hard and study hard. Usually, there will be a natural curve. Instead, top universities (my DH teaches at one) require professors to give good grades… even when students haven’t mastered the material! It means that truly prepared students no longer stand out. It means mediocre and poor students pass. There will be consequences for the sham that higher education is becoming.

Except there are other teachers teaching the exact same material to the same cohort of students and they don’t have a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:He was used to Princeton students and failed to adjust down for a lower-achieving cohort. Pretty straightforward.

This is actually what I assume as well.

+2

Yes, only the very top tier of NYU students is comparable to the Princeton students he was accustomed to, so the outcome is not surprising. At his age, he was either unwilling or unable to adapt to a different student constituency.

Agreed, his inflexibility was the problem.

So dumbing down his class to accommodate below average students? How about changing organic chemistry to test optional? Maybe we could change med school admission to lottery.. problem solved!

Maybe they take the same class with the other 2 professors and learn the material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was used to Princeton students and failed to adjust down for a lower-achieving cohort. Pretty straightforward.

This is actually what I assume as well.

+2

Yes, only the very top tier of NYU students is comparable to the Princeton students he was accustomed to, so the outcome is not surprising. At his age, he was either unwilling or unable to adapt to a different student constituency.

Agreed, his inflexibility was the problem.

So dumbing down his class to accommodate below average students? How about changing organic chemistry to test optional? Maybe we could change med school admission to lottery.. problem solved!

Maybe they take the same class with the other 2 professors and learn the material.

Sure. Let them take organic chemistry made easy. The professor should’ve known that NYU students either are not smart enough, or don’t put in as much efforts as Princeton students. Organic chemistry should be a challenging class. Some students need to learn early that they can’t handle the rigor of medical school classes or residency. Not everyone can’t be a doctor..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

The problem with increasing tuition, in large part, is that it makes students entitled consumers (note the nyu dean admitted to appeasing the tuition payers!!). But becoming educated requires significant exertion. The most engaging organic chemistry professor in the world will still need her students to work hard and study hard. Usually, there will be a natural curve. Instead, top universities (my DH teaches at one) require professors to give good grades… even when students haven’t mastered the material! It means that truly prepared students no longer stand out. It means mediocre and poor students pass. There will be consequences for the sham that higher education is becoming.

Except there are other teachers teaching the exact same material to the same cohort of students and they don’t have a problem.

?? How do you know they are learning it at the same level? Usually professors write their own exams.

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Anonymous wrote:He was used to Princeton students and failed to adjust down for a lower-achieving cohort. Pretty straightforward.

Profs are ordered to fail read “weed out” a certain amount of students because the universities don’t want to spend big money adding capacity to highly expensive STEM depts. They want to force XX% of each freshmen class to high margin soft departments. It’s a big racket and has literally nothing to do with the students being equipped to handle medical school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was used to Princeton students and failed to adjust down for a lower-achieving cohort. Pretty straightforward.

This is actually what I assume as well.

+2

Yes, only the very top tier of NYU students is comparable to the Princeton students he was accustomed to, so the outcome is not surprising. At his age, he was either unwilling or unable to adapt to a different student constituency.

Agreed, his inflexibility was the problem.

So dumbing down his class to accommodate below average students? How about changing organic chemistry to test optional? Maybe we could change med school admission to lottery.. problem solved!

Maybe they take the same class with the other 2 professors and learn the material.

Sure. Let them take organic chemistry made easy. The professor should’ve known that NYU students either are not smart enough, or don’t put in as much efforts as Princeton students. Organic chemistry should be a challenging class. Some students need to learn early that they can’t handle the rigor of medical school classes or residency. Not everyone can’t be a doctor..

And yet for decades other teacher have been teaching it with no issue and students go on to med school.

It’s not like the other teachers are not failing anybody, they are … it’s still a weed out class.

Alas there is only 1 85 yo man on earth properly teaching OC … not!

You sound completely unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Do the writers at NY Magazine read DCUM. We hit all these posts and more.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/10/nyu-professor-fired-cancel-culture-doctor-shortage.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was used to Princeton students and failed to adjust down for a lower-achieving cohort. Pretty straightforward.

Profs are ordered to fail read “weed out” a certain amount of students because the universities don’t want to spend big money adding capacity to highly expensive STEM depts. They want to force XX% of each freshmen class to high margin soft departments. It’s a big racket and has literally nothing to do with the students being equipped to handle medical school.

You post this often with no evidence.

If your conspiracy theory was true, NYU would have give this orgo professor a raise for funneling more students to "soft" departments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

You are part of the problem. You think your kid is a consumer. “I pay a lot.” Yes, you do - for fancy dorms, a hundred different food options, the Starbucks food truck, enormous first class fitness centers, and sports. THAT’S why you pay more. Enjoy it. You also pay for the opportunity to learn from masters of their fields. You are not buying a promise of success.

Professors are tenured because education requires free thought and free speech. Professors have to have the freedom to choose their texts, their lessons, and prompt conversations that encourage thinking outside a student’s current perspective - sometimes that’s a controversial subject. Professors need to publish and do research. They need to do all of these things with intellectual pursuit free of any fear of control or punishment from their employer.

Your post is a fine example of the ignorance and entitlement that dumbs down our country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

You are part of the problem. You think your kid is a consumer. “I pay a lot.” Yes, you do - for fancy dorms, a hundred different food options, the Starbucks food truck, enormous first class fitness centers, and sports. THAT’S why you pay more. Enjoy it. You also pay for the opportunity to learn from masters of their fields. You are not buying a promise of success.

Professors are tenured because education requires free thought and free speech. Professors have to have the freedom to choose their texts, their lessons, and prompt conversations that encourage thinking outside a student’s current perspective - sometimes that’s a controversial subject. Professors need to publish and do research. They need to do all of these things with intellectual pursuit free of any fear of control or punishment from their employer.

Your post is a fine example of the ignorance and entitlement that dumbs down our country.

Lol “masters in the field”, what a load of crap.

Professors are there for research, teaching is an annoyance. Few are there yo teach and even fewer are good at it.

Tenure is to protect research because they are deep teachers. Not just this one, they are at every university. We are not here to fund your research.

Your post shows you have no clue about the system put in place to protect average white makes.

[Anonymous]

One part that I think the students legitimately had reason to complain about was that lectures weren't zoomed or taped so that they could participate if they have Covid. My kid is a freshman at a different university that requires students to isolate and bars them from returning to class without a negative test before day ten. That means students are being forced to stay away from class until day 11 after testing positive. That is stricter than the CDC and many state guidelines. I understand the public health concerns for a University but they are creating an untenable situation for many students and faculty. The University my kid is at is like NYU in that they leave it up to professors to decide how to accommodate students who miss class due to Covid. For my student and some of their Covid positive classmates their professors made it impossible to keep up with the class despite the students reaching out and trying to do work while being forced to quarantine. This is an institutional problem and with respect to this particular issue the students have a right to complain. The Universities are incentivizing students not to test and do the right thing because when they do the University does nothing to ensure that they can stay current on their classes if they feel well enough to study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

You are part of the problem. You think your kid is a consumer. “I pay a lot.” Yes, you do - for fancy dorms, a hundred different food options, the Starbucks food truck, enormous first class fitness centers, and sports. THAT’S why you pay more. Enjoy it. You also pay for the opportunity to learn from masters of their fields. You are not buying a promise of success.

Professors are tenured because education requires free thought and free speech. Professors have to have the freedom to choose their texts, their lessons, and prompt conversations that encourage thinking outside a student’s current perspective - sometimes that’s a controversial subject. Professors need to publish and do research. They need to do all of these things with intellectual pursuit free of any fear of control or punishment from their employer.

Your post is a fine example of the ignorance and entitlement that dumbs down our country.

Lol “masters in the field”, what a load of crap.

Professors are there for research, teaching is an annoyance. Few are there yo teach and even fewer are good at it.

Tenure is to protect research because they are deep teachers. Not just this one, they are at every university. We are not here to fund your research.

Your post shows you have no clue about the system put in place to protect average white makes.

You’re super proud of your ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His nasty tone notwithstanding, I can't say I disagree with the substance of his farewell letter to students.

"I learned last week that I have been fired from my position in the chemistry department at NYU. I was not given a reason, but I assume that it involves the “petition” of last spring (which I have never been allowed to see or comment on).
I send you this information because I will no longer be able to make any changes to the current data for chemistry 225 (2021) and 226 (2022). ALL – repeat ALL - future administrative matters including, but not limited to, grade changes, regrades, resolution of INC grades, and letters of recommendation must be dealt with by the deans and/or the departmental leadership, Professors Tuckerman and Walters.
I send congratulations to those of you who did well, and an apology to those of you who cruised through this course with a relentless stream of 100’s. The apology comes because I didn’t stretch you, and thus deprived you of the chance to improve beyond an already formidable baseline. Keep it up!
This incident is far more important than it looks. Consider the effect on an untenured or clinical professor. If his or her career is at the mercy of disgruntled students and accommodating deans, how are they to teach real material and give real grades? Much the same can be said for departmental administrators who meet with students daily. Can they afford to be tough when necessary?
The chemistry department’s ability to meet its teaching responsibilities has been diminished. Indeed, the university’s reputation has already suffered.
Now a piece of unsolicited advice: It is very difficult to be self critical. It is hard to accept personal responsibility when we meet failure, as each of us will at some point, but it is an essential life skill you would be wise to develop.
Good luck to all of you.
mj"

Is this for real? Where did you get this letter?

Yes, it's real. A colleague passed it along.

This is pretty much why my father retired 15 years earlier than I thought he would. He loved teaching and I thought he might never retire. But over the decades of his career, students became consumers who thought they bought the right to succeed when they paid their tuition. Respect for expertise and knowledge has diminished and now there’s a frequent “you work for me” attitude instead.

I'm a regular person so I have to keep developing, growing, showing value to the people who pay me money to work or I will be canned. The concept of tenure seems utterly outdated and I have yet to hear of anything persuasive in favor of it. Sounds like a contributor to ossification.

Students today pay far more for college than you or your father did. Therefore, the standards and expectations are going to increase. Sounds like your father did not understand that.

Whose standards, though? What you're saying is that tuition is a way of buying a grade. Some of us think it's how you pay someone to teach students.

This guy sounds like a major dick, but when college students are asking for "extra credit," it's pretty clear where the weakest link is.

[Anonymous]

The median grade of Organic Chem at Umich is "B" (Stat from 2017 to 2022 last 5 years). 9.46% late withdraw; 5.01% elected Pass/Fail, 11% Failed the class. Organic Chem is a weeder class.