The new reign of King Charles III has begun

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Anonymous wrote:The nasty racist tabloids drove them out of the UK. The RF was no help at all.

MM was overshadowing KM and that was unacceptable.

I understand why they left.

Ha. I think MM couldn't suck it up and live with the fact she had to stand on the balcony way in the back and forever play second fiddle to Kate, the future Queen, and mother of another future King, Queen, King.

A narcissist like Meghan could no way in h*ll sit in the background. It's always about 'her'.

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Someone upthread said M overshadowed K -- but if K were smart, she would appreciate that. Princess Margaret with her fashion and fast life style really took a lot of pressure of QE2 -- she gave the oh la la and scandal factor, so QE2 could just be the steady hand. If K were smart, she would have absolutely supported that role for M. (Maybe she did -- we'll never really know.)

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Anonymous wrote:Someone upthread said M overshadowed K -- but if K were smart, she would appreciate that. Princess Margaret with her fashion and fast life style really took a lot of pressure of QE2 -- she gave the oh la la and scandal factor, so QE2 could just be the steady hand. If K were smart, she would have absolutely supported that role for M. (Maybe she did -- we'll never really know.)

Christ. K is not a whoremonger. She's flawless and seeks not to draw attention to herself. She's sat out some good friends' weddings for that reason and dressed way down to not outshine Pippa on her wedding day (though I can't say the same about Pippa--ha!).

K is very nose to the grind stone which is why QE 2 loved her so much and came around instantly when she saw she also very much lived by 'don't complain, don't explain'. The Queen's mantra for her 70 years on the throne.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone upthread said M overshadowed K -- but if K were smart, she would appreciate that. Princess Margaret with her fashion and fast life style really took a lot of pressure of QE2 -- she gave the oh la la and scandal factor, so QE2 could just be the steady hand. If K were smart, she would have absolutely supported that role for M. (Maybe she did -- we'll never really know.)

Christ. K is not a whoremonger. She's flawless and seeks not to draw attention to herself. She's sat out some good friends' weddings for that reason and dressed way down to not outshine Pippa on her wedding day (though I can't say the same about Pippa--ha!).

K is very nose to the grind stone which is why QE 2 loved her so much and came around instantly when she saw she also very much lived by 'don't complain, don't explain'. The Queen's mantra for her 70 years on the throne.

The British stoicism. Keep calm and carry on.

Meghan is the antithesis of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the Sussexes for wanting to become financially secure. If they hadn’t they would have still been dependent on allowances from Charles while William became independently wealthy.

Except they can’t also be working royals then. And if they aren’t working royals, they don’t get HRH or security. But rather than acknowledging their choice was the reason, Meghan wants to call racism.

So they can be financially independent, but then need to stop pouting about what they chose to walk away from.

I have no doubt that there was racism in how they treated Meghan Markle. No doubt that if Harry had married a bona fide English aristocrat, they would have been treated differently had he and his English rose stated they wanted to work part time. The American biracial divorcee was just called a whiny ungrateful striver.

This is the English Royal family after all. Their bread and butter has been colonialism, very much a race based concept and reality, for centuries.

There is absolutely "doubt." There is NO precendent for a "part time working royal" who also works and earns personal income apart from being a working royal. None. So no, Meghan was not being treated differently. But it sure makes a good story on her part, doesn't it? Same with the "boo hoo my baby won't be a prince and won't have security because I'm black." Completely untrue but makes a great soundbite!

Over 20(?) years ago Prince Edward stepped away and tried to run a production company. Prince Phillip said it was wonderful because the crown couldn’t keep paying for all the royals. I think he went back when he needed the money. He and Sophie requested their children not get the title Prince/Princess. So there was a precedent. The BRF is aging out of being able to do their “royal” duties and wanted Harry, and Meghan, to stick around to help William. They didn’t want to pay Meghan or give her security.

Not comparable. When Edward and Sophie had jobs, they weren't ALSO working royals. They also didn't ask for permanent security in a foreign country. M&H wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

They were ABSOLUTELY willing to financially support Meghan and Harry and give them security if they stayed in the UK as full time working royals. Not only were they willing, that is what the Royal family wanted.

This was before they left…

“When she was pregnant with Archie in the fall of 2018, she said, she was told by palace officials and family members that Archie should not be given the title of prince—which meant he would not receive a royal security detail either. “There’s no explanation,” she said when Oprah pressed for details. Later in the interview Harry said that there had been a suggestion that Meghan continue her acting career to make money for the family, implying that the royal institution had made efforts to cut their funding in multiple ways.”

“It was while they were in Vancouver, Harry said in the interview, that they were told on “short notice” that their royal security detail would be cut off—even as they were still in the process of finalizing their exit, with the intention of continuing to serve the queen. ““

Casting call on the West End

Here is Susan Jones who graduated from RADA, has spent seven years performing in seven Shakespearean plays in roles ranging from Portia and Rosalind to Katherine and Beatrice. Today she is reading for the role of Imogen Cymbeline

Here is Meghan Markel who went to a school on the States and was on two telly shows. In one she held a bag of money. The other was at least produced in Canada so someone may have mentioned Shakespeare in the make up room

Would you prefer to read first, Duchess?

One minute later. “Congratulations, Susan, you have the role.”

“But I haven’t read yet”

“The Duchess just wanted something to post on Twitter, do go through”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nasty racist tabloids drove them out of the UK. The RF was no help at all.

MM was overshadowing KM and that was unacceptable.

I understand why they left.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the Sussexes for wanting to become financially secure. If they hadn’t they would have still been dependent on allowances from Charles while William became independently wealthy.

One more time: William and Harry are not equals.

So then why do you people act dumbfounded that he doesn’t want all of the downsides of the same deal with none of the benefits?

Because we aren't all one person speaking. I am sure there are some benefits.

Begging your parent - and eventually your older brother - for allowances throughout your life seems really degrading.

Besides, Prince Andrew shows that idle royal hands are a dangerous thing for The Firm. Better for these people to work at a career, learn how to budget their own money, be self-sufficient, etc.


Harry can read the writing on the wall.

Princess Anne and Prince Edward seem to do that just fine.

Ann has the same dedication to duty as her mother and works harder than you ever would.

I never said she didnt but she is beholden to King Charles, just like her siblings

Not really. She could live off her husband’s military and civil service pensions as well as the inheritance she received from the Queen Mother and will receive from the Queen. Stay away from the Fairytales

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the Sussexes for wanting to become financially secure. If they hadn’t they would have still been dependent on allowances from Charles while William became independently wealthy.

Except they can’t also be working royals then. And if they aren’t working royals, they don’t get HRH or security. But rather than acknowledging their choice was the reason, Meghan wants to call racism.

So they can be financially independent, but then need to stop pouting about what they chose to walk away from.

I have no doubt that there was racism in how they treated Meghan Markle. No doubt that if Harry had married a bona fide English aristocrat, they would have been treated differently had he and his English rose stated they wanted to work part time. The American biracial divorcee was just called a whiny ungrateful striver.

This is the English Royal family after all. Their bread and butter has been colonialism, very much a race based concept and reality, for centuries.

There is absolutely "doubt." There is NO precendent for a "part time working royal" who also works and earns personal income apart from being a working royal. None. So no, Meghan was not being treated differently. But it sure makes a good story on her part, doesn't it? Same with the "boo hoo my baby won't be a prince and won't have security because I'm black." Completely untrue but makes a great soundbite!

Over 20(?) years ago Prince Edward stepped away and tried to run a production company. Prince Phillip said it was wonderful because the crown couldn’t keep paying for all the royals. I think he went back when he needed the money. He and Sophie requested their children not get the title Prince/Princess. So there was a precedent. The BRF is aging out of being able to do their “royal” duties and wanted Harry, and Meghan, to stick around to help William. They didn’t want to pay Meghan or give her security.

Not comparable. When Edward and Sophie had jobs, they weren't ALSO working royals. They also didn't ask for permanent security in a foreign country. M&H wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

They were ABSOLUTELY willing to financially support Meghan and Harry and give them security if they stayed in the UK as full time working royals. Not only were they willing, that is what the Royal family wanted.

This was before they left…

“When she was pregnant with Archie in the fall of 2018, she said, she was told by palace officials and family members that Archie should not be given the title of prince—which meant he would not receive a royal security detail either. “There’s no explanation,” she said when Oprah pressed for details. Later in the interview Harry said that there had been a suggestion that Meghan continue her acting career to make money for the family, implying that the royal institution had made efforts to cut their funding in multiple ways.”

“It was while they were in Vancouver, Harry said in the interview, that they were told on “short notice” that their royal security detail would be cut off—even as they were still in the process of finalizing their exit, with the intention of continuing to serve the queen. ““

The UK Personal Protection system is not set up to function long term outside the UK, beyond finite trips. It was Harry's foolish and incorrect assumption that he could leave the UK and keep his protection officers in Canada/the US...forever? They were told on "short notice" that they would lose protection because H&M gave very "short notice" that they were not planning to return to the UK!

As for the title of prince, for the 800th time, per the Letters Patent, only the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales (George, at that time) was eligible for Prince/HRH status. An exception was made for all of William's children so the children would not have different titles/styles. This would have been true regardless of whom Harry married, and was not a personal affront to Meghan. Harry 1000% knew this and he either didn't explain it well to Meghan or she didn't care that she was lying.

And the Sussex kids would have become eligible to claim the prince/princess titles once Charles became king because now they would be the grandchildren of the monarch. Meghan doubled down on this and claimed that they were told Archie would never be a prince.

Why were the titles so important to Meghan? England created the slave trade that enslaved her ancestors

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the Sussexes for wanting to become financially secure. If they hadn’t they would have still been dependent on allowances from Charles while William became independently wealthy.

One more time: William and Harry are not equals.

So then why do you people act dumbfounded that he doesn’t want all of the downsides of the same deal with none of the benefits?

Because we aren't all one person speaking. I am sure there are some benefits.

Begging your parent - and eventually your older brother - for allowances throughout your life seems really degrading.

Besides, Prince Andrew shows that idle royal hands are a dangerous thing for The Firm. Better for these people to work at a career, learn how to budget their own money, be self-sufficient, etc.


Harry can read the writing on the wall.

Princess Anne and Prince Edward seem to do that just fine.

Ann has the same dedication to duty as her mother and works harder than you ever would.

I never said she didnt but she is beholden to King Charles, just like her siblings

Not really. She could live off her husband’s military and civil service pensions as well as the inheritance she received from the Queen Mother and will receive from the Queen. Stay away from the Fairytales

how much will she get from the Queen?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the Sussexes for wanting to become financially secure. If they hadn’t they would have still been dependent on allowances from Charles while William became independently wealthy.

Except they can’t also be working royals then. And if they aren’t working royals, they don’t get HRH or security. But rather than acknowledging their choice was the reason, Meghan wants to call racism.

So they can be financially independent, but then need to stop pouting about what they chose to walk away from.

I have no doubt that there was racism in how they treated Meghan Markle. No doubt that if Harry had married a bona fide English aristocrat, they would have been treated differently had he and his English rose stated they wanted to work part time. The American biracial divorcee was just called a whiny ungrateful striver.

This is the English Royal family after all. Their bread and butter has been colonialism, very much a race based concept and reality, for centuries.

There is absolutely "doubt." There is NO precendent for a "part time working royal" who also works and earns personal income apart from being a working royal. None. So no, Meghan was not being treated differently. But it sure makes a good story on her part, doesn't it? Same with the "boo hoo my baby won't be a prince and won't have security because I'm black." Completely untrue but makes a great soundbite!

Over 20(?) years ago Prince Edward stepped away and tried to run a production company. Prince Phillip said it was wonderful because the crown couldn’t keep paying for all the royals. I think he went back when he needed the money. He and Sophie requested their children not get the title Prince/Princess. So there was a precedent. The BRF is aging out of being able to do their “royal” duties and wanted Harry, and Meghan, to stick around to help William. They didn’t want to pay Meghan or give her security.

Not comparable. When Edward and Sophie had jobs, they weren't ALSO working royals. They also didn't ask for permanent security in a foreign country. M&H wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

They were ABSOLUTELY willing to financially support Meghan and Harry and give them security if they stayed in the UK as full time working royals. Not only were they willing, that is what the Royal family wanted.

This was before they left…

“When she was pregnant with Archie in the fall of 2018, she said, she was told by palace officials and family members that Archie should not be given the title of prince—which meant he would not receive a royal security detail either. “There’s no explanation,” she said when Oprah pressed for details. Later in the interview Harry said that there had been a suggestion that Meghan continue her acting career to make money for the family, implying that the royal institution had made efforts to cut their funding in multiple ways.”

“It was while they were in Vancouver, Harry said in the interview, that they were told on “short notice” that their royal security detail would be cut off—even as they were still in the process of finalizing their exit, with the intention of continuing to serve the queen. ““

The UK Personal Protection system is not set up to function long term outside the UK, beyond finite trips. It was Harry's foolish and incorrect assumption that he could leave the UK and keep his protection officers in Canada/the US...forever? They were told on "short notice" that they would lose protection because H&M gave very "short notice" that they were not planning to return to the UK!

As for the title of prince, for the 800th time, per the Letters Patent, only the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales (George, at that time) was eligible for Prince/HRH status. An exception was made for all of William's children so the children would not have different titles/styles. This would have been true regardless of whom Harry married, and was not a personal affront to Meghan. Harry 1000% knew this and he either didn't explain it well to Meghan or she didn't care that she was lying.

And the Sussex kids would have become eligible to claim the prince/princess titles once Charles became king because now they would be the grandchildren of the monarch. Meghan doubled down on this and claimed that they were told Archie would never be a prince.

Why were the titles so important to Meghan? England created the slave trade that enslaved her ancestors

No title, no security detail.

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Harry wanted to leave well before Meghan

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