Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.
I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.
That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.
Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.
Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.
I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.
That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.
Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.
Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids
Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
So we can identify the problem, no poor, black or hispanic kids and fix it, but not in a way the way that worked last year?
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.
I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.
That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.
Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.
Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids
Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.
When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
So we can identify the problem, no poor, black or hispanic kids and fix it, but not in a way the way that worked last year?
Yea, because last year's method was racist. You don't get to do evil things just because you have good intentions.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
So we can identify the problem, no poor, black or hispanic kids and fix it, but not in a way the way that worked last year?
Yea, because last year's method was racist. You don't get to do evil things just because you have good intentions.
You meant, you don't get to good things just because you have evil intentions. Right?
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
You are right, of course. This is the doing of Scott Brabrand, who thought opportunistically using George Floyd's death as a pretext to shore up his strained relationship with the School Board by changing TJ admissions when literally no one was saying that should be a priority. And, of course, the School Board, which is composed of people who care primarily about politics, not academics, and thought it would be an easy win because they failed to anticipate that the Asian community would actually mobilize against the change.
One mistake after another that predictably led to multiple legal actions and, perhaps, the Supreme Court potentially tossing it all out some day.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.
I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.
That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.
Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.
Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids
Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.
When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.
Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.
Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.
Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.
I think you are lost with your thoughts and are not making any sense. The new system was implemented with racist intent and had the desired racist effect of lowering Asian student proportions. Is this news to you? If we are unhappy with the admissions process at TJ, we can identify the problem and address it in non-racist ways.
You are right, of course. This is the doing of Scott Brabrand, who thought opportunistically using George Floyd's death as a pretext to shore up his strained relationship with the School Board by changing TJ admissions when literally no one was saying that should be a priority. And, of course, the School Board, which is composed of people who care primarily about politics, not academics, and thought it would be an easy win because they failed to anticipate that the Asian community would actually mobilize against the change.
One mistake after another that predictably led to multiple legal actions and, perhaps, the Supreme Court potentially tossing it all out some day.
Another D- for FCPS.
That's grading on a curve in consideration of "experience factors". Purely on merit, being racist is a solid F.
Anonymous wrote:^ handful of WEALTHY middle schools
I'm sure Annandale HS is going to be SO much better when the top 24 kids coming out of Holmes and Poe (even if less qualified than kids from other MS) go to TJHSST instead.
They'll go to TJ instead of taking scholarships to go to private schools.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.
I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.
That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.
Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.
Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids
Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face.
When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window.
You don’t get it, do you? Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.
The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach. The FCPS process is not. And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county. If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.
Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.
This!
Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?
Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?
They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.
Keep dreaming.
my dream would be for them to just close the school
That's obvious, hon.
Sorry.
It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.
Makes me sad, but here we are.
DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.
It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.
They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.
No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.
I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.
The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.
I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.
Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.
It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.
But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.
It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.
It can’t exist with previous state.
0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.
Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.
I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.
To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.
Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?
+1
Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.
Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.
You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.
The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it
I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.
You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.
I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.
Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist
36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?
How many Asians and Latinos entered their names for the WNBA draft? Was it a combined percentage of approximately 15-20%? If not, then your analogy is again garbage.
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