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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

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Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

Is this sarcasm?

What do you think anti-racism means? It means racism. The "color-blind" non-racism that we learned as children is gone. Now everyone is racist and must either admit it or become anti-racist (while still being racist).

It means acknowledging that racism existed in the past and continues to exist today. Why is that so contentious?

Racism is (as defined by the anti-racists) an immutable condition. So it is impossible to find "a non-racist school board". It is literally impossible, by your own definition. (And also undesirable, of course. You just want your kind of racism, not someone else's kind.)

We can find a school board that recognizes that racial biases exist and strive to look past that.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

So now not admitting that Asians are clearly better students and deserve 75% of TJ is racist?

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

Is this sarcasm?

What do you think anti-racism means? It means racism. The "color-blind" non-racism that we learned as children is gone. Now everyone is racist and must either admit it or become anti-racist (while still being racist).

It's not sarcasm, I believe that there are still non-racists in the Democratic party, maybe even enough of them left to fill a school board. I'm optimistic. <-- that's sarcasm.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

PP dont bother. We have a bunch of Alison Collins wannabes. Moderate democrats have been shut down by the radical progressives. Let them enjoy their "comfortable" majority of 30 points. Much of Fairfax county is middle of the road moderate democrats who these radicals are taking for granted. let them. Blessing in disguise.

PP here. I'm an optimist. I can't help it.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

Is this sarcasm?

What do you think anti-racism means? It means racism. The "color-blind" non-racism that we learned as children is gone. Now everyone is racist and must either admit it or become anti-racist (while still being racist).

It means acknowledging that racism existed in the past and continues to exist today. Why is that so contentious?

That's not what being anti-racist means. You need to brush up on your indoctrination materials so as not to fall out of step with your thought leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

36 remarkable women got selected in the WNBA draft yesterday. 26 are black and 10 are white. Given that no Asians or latinos got selected and one racial group is represented at 72%, your logic would conclude that this process is racist given the disproportional racial outcome. You will ignore that each one of these women has put in a lifetime of effort and is fully deserving of their spot. See the flaw in looking at outcomes and not the process?

So now not admitting that Asians are clearly better students and deserve 75% of TJ is racist?

Not PP. No, the take-away is that disparate impact alone is not indication of racist policies.

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This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.

Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.

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This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

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This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

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Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.

Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.

Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

It has only become an unproductive waste of time because the board decided to mess with it. If time and resources are your concern, you should be recommending that the board simply revert TJ to its original state, rather than recommend even more meddling.

It can’t exist with previous state.

0.6% economically disadvantaged students? Nope.

Are you denying reality? It can, be cause it did exist. Seek help.

I’m saying that <1% economically-disadvantaged in a county with 27% ED is not acceptable.

To you. Others were perfectly fine with it.

Because it wasn't publicized. Do you think most voters in this county will be fine with it returning?

+1

Most voters would not be ok with <1% economically disadvantaged students at TJ.

Or a very high % coming from only a handful of MSs.

You guys are just guessing at this point. You have no idea how to population will vote on this issue, which I wager will depend more on how the question is worded.

The population won't vote on the issue, they'll vote on the school board. Even in a red wave year, Youngkin lost Fairfax by 30 points. I don't see a return to segregation slate of candidates getting more traction, but more power to the republicans if they try it

I don't feel we need to elect Republicans for this issue to be put to rest. TJ in its prior admissions state existed and thrived under the Democratic FCPS school board. We just need non-racist school board members. I hope Democrats can find enough non-racist candidates to fill the board. So I ask for everyone's help in electing a non-racist school board. It shouldn't be that hard in this day and age.

You can try to define anything less that 75% asian at TJ as racist, but most people see it the other way around.

I never said that. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Sure, the racist board is obviously racist because the reduced the portion of Asian students from 75 to 55%. Clearly racist

Again, I've never said that, and in fact said the exact opposite in this thread, that the mere reduction of Asian student proportion alone is not proof of racism. You are now just making stuff up and are not discussing this in good faith.

Sure, and the remedy that the plaintiffs are asking for is a return to a system that historically excluded poor kids, black kids and hispanic kids.

Yet again, disparate impact alone is not proof of a racist policy. The under-representation of certain demographics is not an automatic indication of a problem with the admissions process and therefore should not be addressed with changes to the process.

Sure, the new system just happened to boost those demographics by coincidence. We need to return to the sysemt that reliably excluded them so that the school can return to 75% asians and .6% farms and thus free from racist influences.

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Anonymous wrote:The appeals hasn’t even ruled yet. No way the Supreme Court takes this stupid case.

This!

Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?

Wednesday is April 13. It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said. Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline.

Keep dreaming.

my dream would be for them to just close the school

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world.

Makes me sad, but here we are.

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process. Enough already.

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it. They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame.

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering. Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids). And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them.

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS.

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead.

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed. It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program.

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery. If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance. Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate.

That's been tried for decades with no results, but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years.

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.