Republicans/“conservatives” who do you support: our American President or Putin?

[Anonymous]

Entire division? Azov was founded by some guys with neo-nazi ideology in response to Putin's invasion of Crimea. So Putin ironically has some role in creating the thing that he now says he wants to stop. But later it was reorganized and even as far back as 2015 they only had an estimated 10-20% who identified as neo-nazi and since then there has been work by the Ukrainian government to tamp down their neo-nazi ideology even further. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/

[Anonymous]

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And here is the New York Times, not Fox News, reporting on how European Nazi cells are flocking to Ukraine. This is from two days ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

Don't know what you and PP are bickering about, but presence of Nazi cells in a country doesn't mean the country supports it.
Look at the U.S. white supremacy groups. Living large and thriving.

The Ukraine literally rolled a Neo Nazi paramilitary group, the Azov Battallion, into their National Guard. So yes the country supports it.

It’s like saying if the US Military had a division made up exclusively of Aryan Nation gang members that the US doesn’t support white supremacy. This is different than having some racists in your ranks. Again, Ukraine has a Neo Nazi division in its National Guard that wants to exterminate non Aryans.

Putin is the one who’s made your side impossible to defend right now.

In the long run, I think people who live there should decide what borders are where. If ethnic Russians or others in Eastern Ukraine have problems with the government of Ukraine, then I guess we should help people resolve their differences, if anyone wants our help. If they do a better job of making their case, and there are really terrible abuses, maybe the EU, the U.S., the UN or NATO could help.

But, right now, Russia isn’t just surgically attacking one neo-Nazi stronghold. It’s waging all-out war against the equivalents of Charlottesville and Chevy Chase, and threatening to nuke us. It could be a lot more persuasive if it at least took nukes off the table.

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It's Putin's thugs who are shelling residential apartment buildings with no military targets nearby. It's Putin's thugs who are breaking into banks in towns they captured and robbing them. It's Putin's thugs who shot ambulance drivers, killed families in minivans, for no good reason. It's Putin himself who is threatening the world with nuclear weapons, which includes the clueless dipsticks saying idiotic things like "I have no beef with Putin, the biggest threat in my life right now is the school teaching my kid CRT."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putin is better than Biden, Biden is so weak old and mentally gone that anyone else is better

There's the answer. The GOP is against America

Riiighhhhtt. Cuz the PP speaks for the entire GOP.

The OPs posed question is childish. Of course Putin is wrong and should be punished. We all support Biden in doing do. This does not prevent us from criticizing how Biden is handling the situation and how he and NATO currently look ineffective and weak. Time will tell how this all unfolds. By the way this also doesn’t mean that we don’t also blame Trump, Obama, and Bush for allowing Putin to grow more bold and powerful over the last two decades. We ourselves are also to blame for buying cheap goods from China for a long time simply because they are cheap due to their poor labor laws. We’ve made all this possible through are own greed, laziness, and lack of global morals. We create entitlement and artificial wage floors here, which drives manufacturing to China thereby causing a supply chain dependency on them, while simultaneously looking the other way as they run sweat shops. The bill is coming due. It always does sooner or later.

Now - all of you need to make a decision. Either get on board with western democracy, capital markets, and freedom and relentlessly demand it from our trading partners and stop all trade with countries that do not exhibit those same principals, or get out of here and go live in China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela or one of the other dictator/government oligarchy type countries please.

Thank you for this rational post, whatever party you belong to. This is all true.

How do we look weak? The entire western world has rallied around NATO, the US, Biden and our Allies. We have provided a nearly unlimited stream
Of resources to fight Russia via Ukraine.

Russia is on its heels, Putin is grasping for air, his economy will collapse, his people will riot and he could be over before he knows it.

+1 the bolded is not true.

[jsteele]

Since this thread is completely off-topic at this point, Please join one of the other Ukraine threads.