Lack of diversity in lacrosse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah it exists. Those that continue to dismiss it are part of the problem.

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/14/howard-university-womens-lacrosse-received-vulgar-threats-before-game/
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/howard-targets-of-racist-misogynistic-abuse-at-presbyterian/58922

Its unacceptable but Im wondering what the school could have done to stop that, assuming they aren't students. If they are students, you would need proof of identity. The players on Presb. were horrified as was the coach.

Get the police over there and get the rednecks out of there. That’s what they could have done. The home team could have got one of there coaches or some other rep of the school to go up there.

Sounds like the home school tried to initially turn a blind eye, until they started hearing complaints. Typical white supremacist behavior.

Just because this lily-white school had no plan of action for resident hillbillies doesn't not make them white supremacists! Don't overuse that term unless you want people to start tuning out. I agree it's bad but let's be wise in the way we are dealing with this. Has the PC wlax team made a statement?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it exists. Those that continue to dismiss it are part of the problem.

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/14/howard-university-womens-lacrosse-received-vulgar-threats-before-game/
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/howard-targets-of-racist-misogynistic-abuse-at-presbyterian/58922

Its unacceptable but Im wondering what the school could have done to stop that, assuming they aren't students. If they are students, you would need proof of identity. The players on Presb. were horrified as was the coach.

Get the police over there and get the rednecks out of there. That’s what they could have done. The home team could have got one of there coaches or some other rep of the school to go up there.

Sounds like the home school tried to initially turn a blind eye, until they started hearing complaints. Typical white supremacist behavior.

Where did you conclude that this was the response? They weren't in the stadium, but outside on a hill. I guess you want to paint the entire school as white supremacist? You are just as ignorant as the rednecks on the hill.

The game was in a hostile environment where anti-Black racist terroristic threats against the away team. Idk any predominately Black school where white students or any other race of students would be forced to participate in an athletic event under these circumstances.

Not saying the entire school is “white supremacist”, but this particular white supremacist act was condoned.

And everyone should know it happens on teams as well. Amhearst College issue was huge. The reality is lacrosse as a sport has work to do and it should start early. What should happen in youth, club or HS if the N word is thrown out. Typically, "they made a mistake", "bad judgement". Maybe a game suspension? Should they be removed from the team? Does it matter if COP are on the team? At what level of tolerance does it amount to complicity?

https://williamsrecord.com/273042/news/in-other-ivory-towers-racist-incident-at-amherst-college-sparks-integrateamherst-movement/

What was the context of these chants using the N-word? If it was in a song they were "re-singing", it shouldn't be a big deal.
If the N-word is so controversial, NO ONE should be able to use it. Language is universal. It belongs to everyone.

[Anonymous]

Everything that could be said on this topic has been fully aired in the 18 pages up to now. Like all topics in youth sports, there is no final outcome that everybody will agree is right. And like all race-related topics, it often divides more than unites, and devolves into accusations of racism. Unless somebody has a brand new perspective to offer, let's end this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it exists. Those that continue to dismiss it are part of the problem.

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/14/howard-university-womens-lacrosse-received-vulgar-threats-before-game/
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/howard-targets-of-racist-misogynistic-abuse-at-presbyterian/58922

Its unacceptable but Im wondering what the school could have done to stop that, assuming they aren't students. If they are students, you would need proof of identity. The players on Presb. were horrified as was the coach.

Get the police over there and get the rednecks out of there. That’s what they could have done. The home team could have got one of there coaches or some other rep of the school to go up there.

Sounds like the home school tried to initially turn a blind eye, until they started hearing complaints. Typical white supremacist behavior.

Where did you conclude that this was the response? They weren't in the stadium, but outside on a hill. I guess you want to paint the entire school as white supremacist? You are just as ignorant as the rednecks on the hill.

The game was in a hostile environment where anti-Black racist terroristic threats against the away team. Idk any predominately Black school where white students or any other race of students would be forced to participate in an athletic event under these circumstances.

Not saying the entire school is “white supremacist”, but this particular white supremacist act was condoned.

And everyone should know it happens on teams as well. Amhearst College issue was huge. The reality is lacrosse as a sport has work to do and it should start early. What should happen in youth, club or HS if the N word is thrown out. Typically, "they made a mistake", "bad judgement". Maybe a game suspension? Should they be removed from the team? Does it matter if COP are on the team? At what level of tolerance does it amount to complicity?

https://williamsrecord.com/273042/news/in-other-ivory-towers-racist-incident-at-amherst-college-sparks-integrateamherst-movement/

What was the context of these chants using the N-word? If it was in a song they were "re-singing", it shouldn't be a big deal.
If the N-word is so controversial, NO ONE should be able to use it. Language is universal. It belongs to everyone.

The N word should never be used by anybody, of any race, ever, whether quoting or original, whether sang or spoken, never, ever ever. Doesn't matter if the word ends in "a" or "er." There is no conceivable context where saying that word does not risk seriously hurting and offending somebody, and bringing massive trouble for the person who said it.

In the same vein, derogatory words like white trash, redneck and white supremacist should not be used either.

Why is this hard for some people to understand?

[Anonymous]

You realize you just banned several top tv shows and musical artists, right? PP was correct. Language is universal. If its bad for one group, its bad for all. Regardless, let the kids play and sort it out on the field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You realize you just banned several top tv shows and musical artists, right? PP was correct. Language is universal. If its bad for one group, its bad for all. Regardless, let the kids play and sort it out on the field.

Yes it’s bad for all. The group in the article needs to be punished and anyone else who uses that language.

You can’t ban musicians from selling records because of the freedom of speech. I’m sure many of you listen to David Alan Coe. Music doesn’t get much more offensive than his.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it exists. Those that continue to dismiss it are part of the problem.

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/02/14/howard-university-womens-lacrosse-received-vulgar-threats-before-game/
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/howard-targets-of-racist-misogynistic-abuse-at-presbyterian/58922

Its unacceptable but Im wondering what the school could have done to stop that, assuming they aren't students. If they are students, you would need proof of identity. The players on Presb. were horrified as was the coach.

Get the police over there and get the rednecks out of there. That’s what they could have done. The home team could have got one of there coaches or some other rep of the school to go up there.

Sounds like the home school tried to initially turn a blind eye, until they started hearing complaints. Typical white supremacist behavior.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/howard-targets-of-racist-misogynistic-abuse-at-presbyterian/58922

The PC administration failed Howard U's women lacrosse team. Glad to read the PC coach took some action.

Healy-Silcott said that Presbyterian coach Eric Clakeley came out of his locker room as the incident was going on “pretty frantic,” called a member of the administration, informed the police and shut down the behavior, but that the individuals who shouted the abuse were in the stands during the game.

As for how her team felt on Saturday, Healy-Silcott said, “The unfortunate truth is it’s nothing new. We have to learn to compartmentalize because we have a job to do. I’ve already talked about when we’re going to decompress with this. I’ve given them the space to talk if they need to. I’ve prepared them from what’s happened and what will happen on social media and talked to them about not being silenced, and not feeling like I don’t want them to say anything, but being smart about what we post and not getting sucked into an ugly online battle.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You realize you just banned several top tv shows and musical artists, right? PP was correct. Language is universal. If its bad for one group, its bad for all. Regardless, let the kids play and sort it out on the field.

Yes it’s bad for all. The group in the article needs to be punished and anyone else who uses that language.

You can’t ban musicians from selling records because of the freedom of speech. I’m sure many of you listen to David Alan Coe. Music doesn’t get much more offensive than his.

Agree that you can't legally ban musicians, black or white, from selling music with the N word because of the Constitution, just like you can't ban the KKK from holding rallies and saying the word. But good people of all races ought to agree that the word is abhorrent and SHOULD never be said, even if there is a legal right to say it, and a small number sick people of all races might choose to exercise that right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You realize you just banned several top tv shows and musical artists, right? PP was correct. Language is universal. If its bad for one group, its bad for all. Regardless, let the kids play and sort it out on the field.

Yes it’s bad for all. The group in the article needs to be punished and anyone else who uses that language.

You can’t ban musicians from selling records because of the freedom of speech. I’m sure many of you listen to David Alan Coe. Music doesn’t get much more offensive than his.

Agree that you can't legally ban musicians, black or white, from selling music with the N word because of the Constitution, just like you can't ban the KKK from holding rallies and saying the word. But good people of all races ought to agree that the word is abhorrent and SHOULD never be said, even if there is a legal right to say it, and a small number sick people of all races might choose to exercise that right.

And if I am the coach and I find out any of my players said it on or off the field they get consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You realize you just banned several top tv shows and musical artists, right? PP was correct. Language is universal. If its bad for one group, its bad for all. Regardless, let the kids play and sort it out on the field.

Yes it’s bad for all. The group in the article needs to be punished and anyone else who uses that language.

You can’t ban musicians from selling records because of the freedom of speech. I’m sure many of you listen to David Alan Coe. Music doesn’t get much more offensive than his.

Agree that you can't legally ban musicians, black or white, from selling music with the N word because of the Constitution, just like you can't ban the KKK from holding rallies and saying the word. But good people of all races ought to agree that the word is abhorrent and SHOULD never be said, even if there is a legal right to say it, and a small number sick people of all races might choose to exercise that right.

And if I am the coach and I find out any of my players said it on or off the field they get consequences.

That was never alledged in this incident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we should have quota's for lacrosse to ensure DEI, then I propose we have quota's in all sports. If we were to use race, I would propose using the lates census data by race. Whether someone is interested or particularly skilled in the sport or not shouldn't matter, just like Title IX. This way, we can ensure that all races are equally represented in every sport based on the population of the country. Sound good?

Sounds good, but those quotas need to be at the early ages like when the sports are first introduced to children so everyone is able to get equal preparation. Then, we can have the best athletes available by the time they mature physically.

You wouldn't have the best athletes though, hence the quota, it wouldn't be based on ability or skill, but matching up with society.

You don’t need the quotas after every one gets the same access to preparation. After everyone matures physically, we will see who the best athletes are. Is there a reason you don’t want each kid to have the same access to preparation and training?

I assume you are just a troll, you aren't going to turn some kids into LeBron James no matter how much time they are shooting hoops at a young age.

Lebron started playing basketball when he was 8 years old. Had he not started playing until 16 years old, he would not be anywhere near the player he is today. If Steph Curry didn’t start playing basketball until he was 16, he wouldn’t be in the NBA and probably wouldn’t even have played college basketball. These guys are where they are because of intense basketball training starting at an early age.

Give more kids in Baltimore City and PG County access to intense lacrosse and I guarantee you will get better lacrosse players in the DMV and Baltimore areas. But is that what the current lacrosse community wants?

I am not talking outcomes, only access. Quota's across all sports throughout youth sports. That would be the goal of the more diversity in sports like lacrosse. I propose take it to all sports. Let skill rise to the top once we have equal access. And as mentioned, interest level should not be a reason for altering this.

Think about how different football, basketball, baseball/softball, lacrosse, swimming, track and field, soccer would look? Far more diversity across both the college and professional levels that would mirror our society...which is the goal of DEI, right?

[Anonymous]

Basic and simple question, but I am struggling to answer - why ARE top basketball and football teams so heavily black?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basic and simple question, but I am struggling to answer - why ARE top basketball and football teams so heavily black?

I think there are far more whites that play both sports. Check your local little league basketball and football teams and what will you see? And throughout America there are far more white kids playing these sports. I will even bet the percentage of black kids playing organized football and basketball throughout the US is less than 12%. Once you get to the elite levels maybe you see more blacks, but that’s another topic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we should have quota's for lacrosse to ensure DEI, then I propose we have quota's in all sports. If we were to use race, I would propose using the lates census data by race. Whether someone is interested or particularly skilled in the sport or not shouldn't matter, just like Title IX. This way, we can ensure that all races are equally represented in every sport based on the population of the country. Sound good?

Sounds good, but those quotas need to be at the early ages like when the sports are first introduced to children so everyone is able to get equal preparation. Then, we can have the best athletes available by the time they mature physically.

You wouldn't have the best athletes though, hence the quota, it wouldn't be based on ability or skill, but matching up with society.

You don’t need the quotas after every one gets the same access to preparation. After everyone matures physically, we will see who the best athletes are. Is there a reason you don’t want each kid to have the same access to preparation and training?

I assume you are just a troll, you aren't going to turn some kids into LeBron James no matter how much time they are shooting hoops at a young age.

Lebron started playing basketball when he was 8 years old. Had he not started playing until 16 years old, he would not be anywhere near the player he is today. If Steph Curry didn’t start playing basketball until he was 16, he wouldn’t be in the NBA and probably wouldn’t even have played college basketball. These guys are where they are because of intense basketball training starting at an early age.

Give more kids in Baltimore City and PG County access to intense lacrosse and I guarantee you will get better lacrosse players in the DMV and Baltimore areas. But is that what the current lacrosse community wants?

I am not talking outcomes, only access. Quota's across all sports throughout youth sports. That would be the goal of the more diversity in sports like lacrosse. I propose take it to all sports. Let skill rise to the top once we have equal access. And as mentioned, interest level should not be a reason for altering this.

Think about how different football, basketball, baseball/softball, lacrosse, swimming, track and field, soccer would look? Far more diversity across both the college and professional levels that would mirror our society...which is the goal of DEI, right?

Unfortunately, that’s not what they want in sports in this country. There is a thing called white supremacy. It exists in sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Basic and simple question, but I am struggling to answer - why ARE top basketball and football teams so heavily black?

I think there are far more whites that play both sports. Check your local little league basketball and football teams and what will you see? And throughout America there are far more white kids playing these sports. I will even bet the percentage of black kids playing organized football and basketball throughout the US is less than 12%. Once you get to the elite levels maybe you see more blacks, but that’s another topic.

That is the question I meant to ask. Why are the top HS, college, and pro football and basketball teams disproportionately black?