Anonymous wrote:HALF THE CLUSTER is closer to Crown than the current Wootton building. This isn’t an issue of one feeder school being closer. It is literally 3/6 current feeders.
I’m from one of the currently farther schools (Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif) and I support option H. I know it seems like it is because of distance, but it is actually for fiscal reasons. This seems like a good way to save some money AND get our kids into a safer space.
Also, I am increasingly upset that when half the cluster is closer to the proposed new location, we are being held back because of Fallsmead (which will forever have to disprove their nickname of “Falls-me” to the remainder of the cluster) and Lakewood. I do understand Cold Spring because truly, they ARE far from the Crown location but Lakewood and Falls-me need to get over it.
Just like half have your reasons for being for it, You need to be understanding of half the cluster that is against it. I don’t see why you think one side’s opinion is more important than the other here? Would you be fine getting sent to Crown without the rest of Wootton? If so then you should suggest that to the board.
I actually really get that. What I don’t get is the other half acting like our half doesn’t exist and pretending that “no one” in the Wootton cluster wants H, when in fact, many, many do.
You didn’t answer the second part of the question.
Alone? No. I don’t think it’s good for kids to get split off from their entire friend group. But I would absolutely be open to Stone Mill, Travilah, and Dufeuf going to crown with Crown/Gaithersburg kids. The issue is where would Cold Spring, Fallsmead and Lakewood go? We really don’t need 2 schools at this point.
PP here-I meant with the other 3 feeders that are for H. I think those 3 (and I am in one would be happier getting redistricted to a closer school
to us rather than go to Crown if fixing Wootton is truly not an option.
I'm in one of those schools too and I would be happy going to Crown IF ALL THREE (Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah) went.
I think this plan could actually work. It would leave room for more restricting to crown in the future too.
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Is this one of the proposed options?
Of course not. That would make too much sense. They had Dufief out of Wootton by itself in A-D and Dufief understandably threw a fit. If MCPS had included Stone Mill and Travillah with Dufief (and left Churchill alone) I bet this would be over by now.
I really agree with this. I’m just curious what happens to Fallsmead, Cold Spring and Lakewood. Do they continue to use the Wootton building? Just them?
I think they can either be redistricted to a closer school or I had mentioned in a comment above that if it was only them for a period of time they could essentially close off parts of Wootton one by one to do repairs to those areas without moving the kids out. With a much smaller population they could definitely do that temporarily. Then when the repairs are done they can redraw some boundaries to ease overcrowding at other nearby schools.
Sorry, you’re right, you had said that. I think the only concern if it is just those 3 schools there is that they absolutely wouldn’t be able to have the same variety of classes as the staff would have to be so much smaller. Otherwise, I really like that plan.
I doubt they would go for it (actually, I’m sure they wouldn’t) but could RM theoretically absorb all 3 (cold spring, fallsmead, Lakewood)?
No I don’t think they could absorb all three. maybe 2. cold spring maybe churchill.
Anonymous wrote:HALF THE CLUSTER is closer to Crown than the current Wootton building. This isn’t an issue of one feeder school being closer. It is literally 3/6 current feeders.
I’m from one of the currently farther schools (Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif) and I support option H. I know it seems like it is because of distance, but it is actually for fiscal reasons. This seems like a good way to save some money AND get our kids into a safer space.
Also, I am increasingly upset that when half the cluster is closer to the proposed new location, we are being held back because of Fallsmead (which will forever have to disprove their nickname of “Falls-me” to the remainder of the cluster) and Lakewood. I do understand Cold Spring because truly, they ARE far from the Crown location but Lakewood and Falls-me need to get over it.
Just like half have your reasons for being for it, You need to be understanding of half the cluster that is against it. I don’t see why you think one side’s opinion is more important than the other here? Would you be fine getting sent to Crown without the rest of Wootton? If so then you should suggest that to the board.
I actually really get that. What I don’t get is the other half acting like our half doesn’t exist and pretending that “no one” in the Wootton cluster wants H, when in fact, many, many do.
You didn’t answer the second part of the question.
Alone? No. I don’t think it’s good for kids to get split off from their entire friend group. But I would absolutely be open to Stone Mill, Travilah, and Dufeuf going to crown with Crown/Gaithersburg kids. The issue is where would Cold Spring, Fallsmead and Lakewood go? We really don’t need 2 schools at this point.
PP here-I meant with the other 3 feeders that are for H. I think those 3 (and I am in one would be happier getting redistricted to a closer school
to us rather than go to Crown if fixing Wootton is truly not an option.
I'm in one of those schools too and I would be happy going to Crown IF ALL THREE (Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah) went.
I think this plan could actually work. It would leave room for more restricting to crown in the future too.
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Is this one of the proposed options?
Of course not. That would make too much sense. They had Dufief out of Wootton by itself in A-D and Dufief understandably threw a fit. If MCPS had included Stone Mill and Travillah with Dufief (and left Churchill alone) I bet this would be over by now.
I really agree with this. I’m just curious what happens to Fallsmead, Cold Spring and Lakewood. Do they continue to use the Wootton building? Just them?
Wouldn't that make Wootton way under capacity? It's already under capacity. Moving half of the ES out of the cluster would make it half empty.
Did you read the above comments? If this happened it would only be temporary I would assume.
Anonymous wrote:HALF THE CLUSTER is closer to Crown than the current Wootton building. This isn’t an issue of one feeder school being closer. It is literally 3/6 current feeders.
I’m from one of the currently farther schools (Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif) and I support option H. I know it seems like it is because of distance, but it is actually for fiscal reasons. This seems like a good way to save some money AND get our kids into a safer space.
Also, I am increasingly upset that when half the cluster is closer to the proposed new location, we are being held back because of Fallsmead (which will forever have to disprove their nickname of “Falls-me” to the remainder of the cluster) and Lakewood. I do understand Cold Spring because truly, they ARE far from the Crown location but Lakewood and Falls-me need to get over it.
Just like half have your reasons for being for it, You need to be understanding of half the cluster that is against it. I don’t see why you think one side’s opinion is more important than the other here? Would you be fine getting sent to Crown without the rest of Wootton? If so then you should suggest that to the board.
I actually really get that. What I don’t get is the other half acting like our half doesn’t exist and pretending that “no one” in the Wootton cluster wants H, when in fact, many, many do.
You didn’t answer the second part of the question.
Alone? No. I don’t think it’s good for kids to get split off from their entire friend group. But I would absolutely be open to Stone Mill, Travilah, and Dufeuf going to crown with Crown/Gaithersburg kids. The issue is where would Cold Spring, Fallsmead and Lakewood go? We really don’t need 2 schools at this point.
PP here-I meant with the other 3 feeders that are for H. I think those 3 (and I am in one would be happier getting redistricted to a closer school
to us rather than go to Crown if fixing Wootton is truly not an option.
I'm in one of those schools too and I would be happy going to Crown IF ALL THREE (Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah) went.
I think this plan could actually work. It would leave room for more restricting to crown in the future too.
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Is this one of the proposed options?
Of course not. That would make too much sense. They had Dufief out of Wootton by itself in A-D and Dufief understandably threw a fit. If MCPS had included Stone Mill and Travillah with Dufief (and left Churchill alone) I bet this would be over by now.
I really agree with this. I’m just curious what happens to Fallsmead, Cold Spring and Lakewood. Do they continue to use the Wootton building? Just them?
I think they can either be redistricted to a closer school or I had mentioned in a comment above that if it was only them for a period of time they could essentially close off parts of Wootton one by one to do repairs to those areas without moving the kids out. With a much smaller population they could definitely do that temporarily. Then when the repairs are done they can redraw some boundaries to ease overcrowding at other nearby schools.
Sorry, you’re right, you had said that. I think the only concern if it is just those 3 schools there is that they absolutely wouldn’t be able to have the same variety of classes as the staff would have to be so much smaller. Otherwise, I really like that plan.
I doubt they would go for it (actually, I’m sure they wouldn’t) but could RM theoretically absorb all 3 (cold spring, fallsmead, Lakewood)?
No I don’t think they could absorb all three. maybe 2. cold spring maybe churchill.
Rm has several portables. No, they cannot absorb anymore ES.
Anonymous wrote:So realistically we have 3 totally different clusters being sent to the same high school with H? WHS, GHS and QOHS. Have we ever seen something like that before in MCPS? I know it happens with MS with CJ having kids form both Churchill and Wootton but I don’t think it’s happened with a high school before?
Not sure but I feel bad for the FRES kids being rerouted to high school.
Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.
It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.
We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.
People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong
haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."
They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.
“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.
Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.
Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.
Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?
No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway
You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.
Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?
Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?
That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.
It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.
Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.
Adding fields road will make it overcrowded. Other than I have no problem of adding them. The remaining space is only enough for either crown or fields road and not even counting the new development
Look again at the enrollment numbers.
Sorry, I counted wrong. You're right. It would be about 200 over.
I'm sure could move some from Wootton over into GHS to make room for Field Rd.
Or, more seriously, the western part of Wootton could go to QO.
You want Wootton families to support adding fields road by rezoning themselves out?
No, I want the BoE to make sensible a decision regardless of Wootton's temper tantruming.
You need to advocate for your school and kids! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
Make sure you are loud-write letters, make signs, attend meetings! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
The squeakiest wheel gets the oil! Unless you are Wootton then you are not allowed to talk about problems because other people also have problems.
In closing-Wootton can’t ever ask for anything because it makes them look entitled. So if they do ask they should get punished.
Why do you expect us to fix the mess you created? You are not offering any alternative solutions, just complaining.
oh parents created the mess???? No-parents have been paying their taxes and mcps has been spending money on boundary studies and other nonsense instead of maintaining its schools. How could you possibly blame the school’s condition on the parents?
Again, you created the mess at Wootton, you fix it. Many schools have the same issues. We all pay taxes.
Again, please tell me how parents caused the Wootton building to be in disrepair. And “many” schools are not as bad as Wootton. 1 is-per the actual data. Many isn’t 1.
Correct. MCPS took Wootton off the CIP 3 times. In the meantime, it built a brand new school in a highly congested area using faulty enrollment numbers. Maybe it always thought it could break up Wootton, but didn’t expect the massive pushback it’s getting now. MCPS has painted itself into a corner here, but that’s not the fault of Wootton families, no matter how much a couple of trolls on this thread want it to be.
The Wootton families pushing for a full renovation have calmed down. There’s no material dissension among Wootton families. Stop claiming there is.
And, they are offering you that new school.
So what? It’s not an offer if it’s being forced. An offer means you are free to decline.
You are free to decline. Send your kids to private school on your own dime.
Aw, poor little troll got caught by his own words and said the quiet part out loud. Thanks for agreeing with Wootton families.
Why keep that quiet? The Wootton parents have the money for private school.
Though, I strongly suspect that the loudest voices opposing H here don't even have kids in school anymore.
umm no. We certainly do not have money for private school. Secular private school costs 40-60k a year. Again, you are thinking Wootton parents have a lot more money than they do.
You're in denial about the wealth in Wootton. Look at the median income in that area. Several neighborhoods are well over $200k. That income combined with home equity gives them plenty for private school.
Going out on a limb and assuming you have a lot of credit card debt…
Anonymous wrote:Some posts are saying Wootton families took Wootton off the CIP 3 times and others are saying MCPS did. What's the story there? Why would families request removal from the CIP?
Parents can’t take schools off the CIP. What a ridiculous question. Of course it was MCPS.
Wootton parents demanded other schools be removed to pay for Wootton.
Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.
It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.
We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.
People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong
haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."
They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.
“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.
Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.
Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.
Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?
No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway
You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.
Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?
Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?
That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.
It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.
Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.
Adding fields road will make it overcrowded. Other than I have no problem of adding them. The remaining space is only enough for either crown or fields road and not even counting the new development
Look again at the enrollment numbers.
Sorry, I counted wrong. You're right. It would be about 200 over.
I'm sure could move some from Wootton over into GHS to make room for Field Rd.
Or, more seriously, the western part of Wootton could go to QO.
You want Wootton families to support adding fields road by rezoning themselves out?
No, I want the BoE to make sensible a decision regardless of Wootton's temper tantruming.
You need to advocate for your school and kids! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
Make sure you are loud-write letters, make signs, attend meetings! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
The squeakiest wheel gets the oil! Unless you are Wootton then you are not allowed to talk about problems because other people also have problems.
In closing-Wootton can’t ever ask for anything because it makes them look entitled. So if they do ask they should get punished.
Why do you expect us to fix the mess you created? You are not offering any alternative solutions, just complaining.
oh parents created the mess???? No-parents have been paying their taxes and mcps has been spending money on boundary studies and other nonsense instead of maintaining its schools. How could you possibly blame the school’s condition on the parents?
Again, you created the mess at Wootton, you fix it. Many schools have the same issues. We all pay taxes.
Again, please tell me how parents caused the Wootton building to be in disrepair. And “many” schools are not as bad as Wootton. 1 is-per the actual data. Many isn’t 1.
Correct. MCPS took Wootton off the CIP 3 times. In the meantime, it built a brand new school in a highly congested area using faulty enrollment numbers. Maybe it always thought it could break up Wootton, but didn’t expect the massive pushback it’s getting now. MCPS has painted itself into a corner here, but that’s not the fault of Wootton families, no matter how much a couple of trolls on this thread want it to be.
The Wootton families pushing for a full renovation have calmed down. There’s no material dissension among Wootton families. Stop claiming there is.
And, they are offering you that new school.
So what? It’s not an offer if it’s being forced. An offer means you are free to decline.
You are free to decline. Send your kids to private school on your own dime.
Aw, poor little troll got caught by his own words and said the quiet part out loud. Thanks for agreeing with Wootton families.
Why keep that quiet? The Wootton parents have the money for private school.
Though, I strongly suspect that the loudest voices opposing H here don't even have kids in school anymore.
umm no. We certainly do not have money for private school. Secular private school costs 40-60k a year. Again, you are thinking Wootton parents have a lot more money than they do.
Then, you have a spending issue and you need to make changes to be able to afford it if that’s what you want. How will you pay for college? Where is all your money going?
Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.
It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.
We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.
People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong
haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."
They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.
“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.
Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.
Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.
Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?
No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway
You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.
Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?
Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?
That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.
It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.
Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.
Adding fields road will make it overcrowded. Other than I have no problem of adding them. The remaining space is only enough for either crown or fields road and not even counting the new development
Look again at the enrollment numbers.
Sorry, I counted wrong. You're right. It would be about 200 over.
I'm sure could move some from Wootton over into GHS to make room for Field Rd.
Or, more seriously, the western part of Wootton could go to QO.
You want Wootton families to support adding fields road by rezoning themselves out?
No, I want the BoE to make sensible a decision regardless of Wootton's temper tantruming.
You need to advocate for your school and kids! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
Make sure you are loud-write letters, make signs, attend meetings! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
The squeakiest wheel gets the oil! Unless you are Wootton then you are not allowed to talk about problems because other people also have problems.
In closing-Wootton can’t ever ask for anything because it makes them look entitled. So if they do ask they should get punished.
Why do you expect us to fix the mess you created? You are not offering any alternative solutions, just complaining.
oh parents created the mess???? No-parents have been paying their taxes and mcps has been spending money on boundary studies and other nonsense instead of maintaining its schools. How could you possibly blame the school’s condition on the parents?
Again, you created the mess at Wootton, you fix it. Many schools have the same issues. We all pay taxes.
Again, please tell me how parents caused the Wootton building to be in disrepair. And “many” schools are not as bad as Wootton. 1 is-per the actual data. Many isn’t 1.
Correct. MCPS took Wootton off the CIP 3 times. In the meantime, it built a brand new school in a highly congested area using faulty enrollment numbers. Maybe it always thought it could break up Wootton, but didn’t expect the massive pushback it’s getting now. MCPS has painted itself into a corner here, but that’s not the fault of Wootton families, no matter how much a couple of trolls on this thread want it to be.
The Wootton families pushing for a full renovation have calmed down. There’s no material dissension among Wootton families. Stop claiming there is.
And, they are offering you that new school.
So what? It’s not an offer if it’s being forced. An offer means you are free to decline.
You are free to decline. Send your kids to private school on your own dime.
Aw, poor little troll got caught by his own words and said the quiet part out loud. Thanks for agreeing with Wootton families.
Why keep that quiet? The Wootton parents have the money for private school.
Though, I strongly suspect that the loudest voices opposing H here don't even have kids in school anymore.
umm no. We certainly do not have money for private school. Secular private school costs 40-60k a year. Again, you are thinking Wootton parents have a lot more money than they do.
You're in denial about the wealth in Wootton. Look at the median income in that area. Several neighborhoods are well over $200k. That income combined with home equity gives them plenty for private school.
No-people making 200k a year cannot afford private school in this area. Not with mortgages, general cost of living etc…You are in denial about how much Private school actually costs-especially for multiple kids.
Do you understand how medians work? Much of Wootton has incomes much higher than $200k. Their incomes are high enough to afford private school, particularly if they use equity in their homes or move to less expensive housing.
Except if you got lucky investing or flipping a house or family money you cannot afford a million dollar house on $200k plus other expenses.
Anonymous wrote:HALF THE CLUSTER is closer to Crown than the current Wootton building. This isn’t an issue of one feeder school being closer. It is literally 3/6 current feeders.
I’m from one of the currently farther schools (Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif) and I support option H. I know it seems like it is because of distance, but it is actually for fiscal reasons. This seems like a good way to save some money AND get our kids into a safer space.
Also, I am increasingly upset that when half the cluster is closer to the proposed new location, we are being held back because of Fallsmead (which will forever have to disprove their nickname of “Falls-me” to the remainder of the cluster) and Lakewood. I do understand Cold Spring because truly, they ARE far from the Crown location but Lakewood and Falls-me need to get over it.
Just like half have your reasons for being for it, You need to be understanding of half the cluster that is against it. I don’t see why you think one side’s opinion is more important than the other here? Would you be fine getting sent to Crown without the rest of Wootton? If so then you should suggest that to the board.
I actually really get that. What I don’t get is the other half acting like our half doesn’t exist and pretending that “no one” in the Wootton cluster wants H, when in fact, many, many do.
Anonymous wrote:Gaithersburg has many new housing developments. They may need a new high school (the Crown). Students from Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif could go the new Crown since they are close to Crown.
Give crown to Gaithersburg as promised and distribute Wootton to the closest schools within reason.
Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.
It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.
We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.
People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong
haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."
They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.
“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.
Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.
Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.
Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?
No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway
You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.
Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?
Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?
That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.
It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.
Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.
Adding fields road will make it overcrowded. Other than I have no problem of adding them. The remaining space is only enough for either crown or fields road and not even counting the new development
Look again at the enrollment numbers.
Sorry, I counted wrong. You're right. It would be about 200 over.
I'm sure could move some from Wootton over into GHS to make room for Field Rd.
Or, more seriously, the western part of Wootton could go to QO.
You want Wootton families to support adding fields road by rezoning themselves out?
No, I want the BoE to make sensible a decision regardless of Wootton's temper tantruming.
You need to advocate for your school and kids! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
Make sure you are loud-write letters, make signs, attend meetings! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
The squeakiest wheel gets the oil! Unless you are Wootton then you are not allowed to talk about problems because other people also have problems.
In closing-Wootton can’t ever ask for anything because it makes them look entitled. So if they do ask they should get punished.
Why do you expect us to fix the mess you created? You are not offering any alternative solutions, just complaining.
oh parents created the mess???? No-parents have been paying their taxes and mcps has been spending money on boundary studies and other nonsense instead of maintaining its schools. How could you possibly blame the school’s condition on the parents?
Again, you created the mess at Wootton, you fix it. Many schools have the same issues. We all pay taxes.
Again, please tell me how parents caused the Wootton building to be in disrepair. And “many” schools are not as bad as Wootton. 1 is-per the actual data. Many isn’t 1.
Correct. MCPS took Wootton off the CIP 3 times. In the meantime, it built a brand new school in a highly congested area using faulty enrollment numbers. Maybe it always thought it could break up Wootton, but didn’t expect the massive pushback it’s getting now. MCPS has painted itself into a corner here, but that’s not the fault of Wootton families, no matter how much a couple of trolls on this thread want it to be.
The Wootton families pushing for a full renovation have calmed down. There’s no material dissension among Wootton families. Stop claiming there is.
And, they are offering you that new school.
So what? It’s not an offer if it’s being forced. An offer means you are free to decline.
You are free to decline. Send your kids to private school on your own dime.
Aw, poor little troll got caught by his own words and said the quiet part out loud. Thanks for agreeing with Wootton families.
Why keep that quiet? The Wootton parents have the money for private school.
Though, I strongly suspect that the loudest voices opposing H here don't even have kids in school anymore.
umm no. We certainly do not have money for private school. Secular private school costs 40-60k a year. Again, you are thinking Wootton parents have a lot more money than they do.
Then, you have a spending issue and you need to make changes to be able to afford it if that’s what you want. How will you pay for college? Where is all your money going?
Are you listening to yourself??? We have a spending problem because we can’t pay up to 60k a year per kid for private school? You are not living in reality. We wouldn’t pay for private school because we never planned on it-that’s why we moved where we moved in the first place AND BECAUSE we want savings for college. You are an idiot.
Anonymous wrote:Gaithersburg has many new housing developments. They may need a new high school (the Crown). Students from Travilah, Stone Mill, Dufeif could go the new Crown since they are close to Crown.
Give crown to Gaithersburg as promised and distribute Wootton to the closest schools within reason.
None of the surrounding high schools can absorb all the kids from Wootton. Crown was supposed to ease overcrowding in Gaithersburg. Wootton has to stay and be remediated. Otherwise, we will be right back here in 10-15 years. MCPS will have sold off the old Wootton site to developers or will have to come up with $400M to fully rebuild it. Either way, MCPS will have screwed itself and lost the #3 school in MD and #191st school in the country.
Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.
It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.
We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.
People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong
haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."
They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.
“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.
Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.
Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.
Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?
No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway
You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.
Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?
Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?
That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.
It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.
Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.
Adding fields road will make it overcrowded. Other than I have no problem of adding them. The remaining space is only enough for either crown or fields road and not even counting the new development
Look again at the enrollment numbers.
Sorry, I counted wrong. You're right. It would be about 200 over.
I'm sure could move some from Wootton over into GHS to make room for Field Rd.
Or, more seriously, the western part of Wootton could go to QO.
You want Wootton families to support adding fields road by rezoning themselves out?
No, I want the BoE to make sensible a decision regardless of Wootton's temper tantruming.
You need to advocate for your school and kids! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
Make sure you are loud-write letters, make signs, attend meetings! Unless you are Wootton-then you have to keep your mouth shut.
The squeakiest wheel gets the oil! Unless you are Wootton then you are not allowed to talk about problems because other people also have problems.
In closing-Wootton can’t ever ask for anything because it makes them look entitled. So if they do ask they should get punished.
Why do you expect us to fix the mess you created? You are not offering any alternative solutions, just complaining.
oh parents created the mess???? No-parents have been paying their taxes and mcps has been spending money on boundary studies and other nonsense instead of maintaining its schools. How could you possibly blame the school’s condition on the parents?
Again, you created the mess at Wootton, you fix it. Many schools have the same issues. We all pay taxes.
Again, please tell me how parents caused the Wootton building to be in disrepair. And “many” schools are not as bad as Wootton. 1 is-per the actual data. Many isn’t 1.
Correct. MCPS took Wootton off the CIP 3 times. In the meantime, it built a brand new school in a highly congested area using faulty enrollment numbers. Maybe it always thought it could break up Wootton, but didn’t expect the massive pushback it’s getting now. MCPS has painted itself into a corner here, but that’s not the fault of Wootton families, no matter how much a couple of trolls on this thread want it to be.
The Wootton families pushing for a full renovation have calmed down. There’s no material dissension among Wootton families. Stop claiming there is.
And, they are offering you that new school.
So what? It’s not an offer if it’s being forced. An offer means you are free to decline.
You are free to decline. Send your kids to private school on your own dime.
Aw, poor little troll got caught by his own words and said the quiet part out loud. Thanks for agreeing with Wootton families.
Why keep that quiet? The Wootton parents have the money for private school.
Though, I strongly suspect that the loudest voices opposing H here don't even have kids in school anymore.
umm no. We certainly do not have money for private school. Secular private school costs 40-60k a year. Again, you are thinking Wootton parents have a lot more money than they do.
Then, you have a spending issue and you need to make changes to be able to afford it if that’s what you want. How will you pay for college? Where is all your money going?
Are you listening to yourself??? We have a spending problem because we can’t pay up to 60k a year per kid for private school? You are not living in reality. We wouldn’t pay for private school because we never planned on it-that’s why we moved where we moved in the first place AND BECAUSE we want savings for college. You are an idiot.
Calling people idiots because you are struggling financially because you overspend isn't a good look. Get a better job or make cutbacks. You're failing to consider these things is not others' fault, but yours. Your home was never guaranteed to go alongside a specific school. So, move, go private or deal with it. What is your HHI? We can afford it, why can't you?
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