Video Finish

[Anonymous]

I have a video that shows indisputable visual evidence of my child winning a 25M race by approximate 1-2 inches over a swimmer on our team. The timers had my child in 2nd place by .10 second. It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.

At the time, the only thing that bothered me at all was the “winner” bragging to my kid about being better because they won.

Do nothing but tell your kid s/he did a great job.

[Anonymous]

FWIW, I have one and dont plan to share with anyone. In our case I was surprised when I saw the results posted and checked back on the video I’d taken since DC likes to review stroke form. Somehow another swimmer in the heat was recorded 5 seconds ahead in a close finish, which seems too much for even a hand timing error so I guess it was a summer swim recording/handwriting error. In this case it’s the other swimmer who I feel for with a new time that’s likely ahead of where they’ll be legitimately for a long time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a video that shows indisputable visual evidence of my child winning a 25M race by approximate 1-2 inches over a swimmer on our team. The timers had my child in 2nd place by .10 second. It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.

At the time, the only thing that bothered me at all was the “winner” bragging to my kid about being better because they won.

Do nothing but tell your kid s/he did a great job.

If this is a 25m race, the kids are quite young. Get over it. It's rec swim with little kids. Let them have fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a video that shows indisputable visual evidence of my child winning a 25M race by approximate 1-2 inches over a swimmer on our team. The timers had my child in 2nd place by .10 second. It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.

At the time, the only thing that bothered me at all was the “winner” bragging to my kid about being better because they won.

Do nothing but tell your kid s/he did a great job.

If this is a 25m race, the kids are quite young. Get over it. It's rec swim with little kids. Let them have fun.

Do you suffer from poor reading comprehension? “It doesn’t matter” “Do nothing”. Those would be clear indications that I got over it, and was offering advice to the OP to do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work at the data table for our team and folks who come to us with videos are…missing the point of summer swim. We politely explain that the video doesn’t mean anything.

Having said that, there are sometimes card errors, and we have no issue with someone asking for us to re-check a card. It’s best to go through the team rep, but it’s not a problem.

I would say I get someone (coach or parent) asking us to recheck about 1x/week. From those there is maybe one error over the summer. So despite all the snark, it’s ok to ask, and mistakes happen.

Just don’t be a jerk about it

Ah, that would be a reasonable approach send the video, ask to see if there might have been a card error.

[Anonymous]

The swimming threads never disappoint. I am an official and one of the mock scenarios in the training involves a parent with supposed video evidence that contradicts a call. They are very clear that video evidence is not admissible in any situation, period. Do not be that parent who makes this into a whole situation. You’re in for a long few weeks if you are already this crazy about A meet spots. Let the season play out, and whoever is actually faster will end up in the lineup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The swimming threads never disappoint. I am an official and one of the mock scenarios in the training involves a parent with supposed video evidence that contradicts a call. They are very clear that video evidence is not admissible in any situation, period. Do not be that parent who makes this into a whole situation. You’re in for a long few weeks if you are already this crazy about A meet spots. Let the season play out, and whoever is actually faster will end up in the lineup.

Not really, the way our team works, is the A-meets are in one faster and deeper pool all the B-meets are in a shallow pool or (one they don't even practice in) or one of these shallow pools around the county. I suspect the times will fall off considerably. For many kids time trials are the only time they'll compete in a nice pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The swimming threads never disappoint. I am an official and one of the mock scenarios in the training involves a parent with supposed video evidence that contradicts a call. They are very clear that video evidence is not admissible in any situation, period. Do not be that parent who makes this into a whole situation. You’re in for a long few weeks if you are already this crazy about A meet spots. Let the season play out, and whoever is actually faster will end up in the lineup.

Same (also PV/summer league official), + 1. Every once in a blue moon — very rarely!! — I have been on deck when an official flat out got it wrong, would not back down, and video evidence would have been useful. This happened in a summer league Divisionals several years back when one of the top swimmers swam a clean race, but the referee marked the wrong swimmer as false starting. Video evidence showed the referee got the wrong lane, but the summer league (leaving this vague on purpose) said it was too late. I was on deck and it was clear the referee got the wrong lane, but nothing was done. The swimmer probably would have won All Stars. It’s summer league, though. So really, it’s not a huge deal. That same swimmer will likely still be successful in years to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The swimming threads never disappoint. I am an official and one of the mock scenarios in the training involves a parent with supposed video evidence that contradicts a call. They are very clear that video evidence is not admissible in any situation, period. Do not be that parent who makes this into a whole situation. You’re in for a long few weeks if you are already this crazy about A meet spots. Let the season play out, and whoever is actually faster will end up in the lineup.

Not really, the way our team works, is the A-meets are in one faster and deeper pool all the B-meets are in a shallow pool or (one they don't even practice in) or one of these shallow pools around the county. I suspect the times will fall off considerably. For many kids time trials are the only time they'll compete in a nice pool.

You are worrying about the wrong things. A swimmer who is legitimately faster will be able to post a good time in a crappy pool. Stop thinking of excuses as to why your kid won’t make the lineup. Your time would be better spent looking into lessons to improve their technique, or if they are truly really into swimming finding the best training environment for them in the winter so they can get better at racing. This is like when a soccer parent complains that the team lost because the game was on grass instead of turf. You either got it or you don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The swimming threads never disappoint. I am an official and one of the mock scenarios in the training involves a parent with supposed video evidence that contradicts a call. They are very clear that video evidence is not admissible in any situation, period. Do not be that parent who makes this into a whole situation. You’re in for a long few weeks if you are already this crazy about A meet spots. Let the season play out, and whoever is actually faster will end up in the lineup.

Not really, the way our team works, is the A-meets are in one faster and deeper pool all the B-meets are in a shallow pool or (one they don't even practice in) or one of these shallow pools around the county. I suspect the times will fall off considerably. For many kids time trials are the only time they'll compete in a nice pool.

You are worrying about the wrong things. A swimmer who is legitimately faster will be able to post a good time in a crappy pool. Stop thinking of excuses as to why your kid won’t make the lineup. Your time would be better spent looking into lessons to improve their technique, or if they are truly really into swimming finding the best training environment for them in the winter so they can get better at racing. This is like when a soccer parent complains that the team lost because the game was on grass instead of turf. You either got it or you don’t.

Excuses? listen to you. I'm not about to do training a sorry excuse of sport like this.

[Anonymous]

Semi-related to OP's question - would you ask a coach to follow up on a child's 'official' time if it didn't match what child was told/what pool scoreboard showed (touchpad time)? Imagine child was told 39.9, scoreboard said 40.X, and then official time was recorded as 41.Y.

Does it change your answer if either the 39 or the 40 would have been a champs cut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Semi-related to OP's question - would you ask a coach to follow up on a child's 'official' time if it didn't match what child was told/what pool scoreboard showed (touchpad time)? Imagine child was told 39.9, scoreboard said 40.X, and then official time was recorded as 41.Y.

Does it change your answer if either the 39 or the 40 would have been a champs cut?

Are you talking about club swim? If so, protests can only occur when there is wide disparity between the two watch times, the plunger time; and the touchpad time. Also, scoreboards are often very off. The coach will handle it, though, not you as the parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Semi-related to OP's question - would you ask a coach to follow up on a child's 'official' time if it didn't match what child was told/what pool scoreboard showed (touchpad time)? Imagine child was told 39.9, scoreboard said 40.X, and then official time was recorded as 41.Y.

Does it change your answer if either the 39 or the 40 would have been a champs cut?

Are you talking about club swim? If so, protests can only occur when there is wide disparity between the two watch times, the plunger time; and the touchpad time. Also, scoreboards are often very off. The coach will handle it, though, not you as the parent.

These are the USA Swimming Protocols:
https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/officialsdocuments/officials-training-resources/timing-adjustment-resources/timing-adjustment-rule-change.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Semi-related to OP's question - would you ask a coach to follow up on a child's 'official' time if it didn't match what child was told/what pool scoreboard showed (touchpad time)? Imagine child was told 39.9, scoreboard said 40.X, and then official time was recorded as 41.Y.

Does it change your answer if either the 39 or the 40 would have been a champs cut?

Are you talking about club swim? If so, protests can only occur when there is wide disparity between the two watch times, the plunger time; and the touchpad time. Also, scoreboards are often very off. The coach will handle it, though, not you as the parent.

+1 also, watch times shared by the timer are usually faster than the actual official time because timers may start the watch after the start vs. exactly at the same time

[Anonymous]

I'm sure you have shared the video and now have a reputation as that parent. I feel for your kid.