If you read nothing else today, read Matt Shumer on AI

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.

No, not yet. I'm also mid-50s. I might try to figure out if I can somehow limp to the end of my career. We'll see how it goes. The difference between us is you don't appear to believe any disruption is coming. I'm at least thinking about the post-apocalypse. I just haven't figured it out yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.

No, not yet. I'm also mid-50s. I might try to figure out if I can somehow limp to the end of my career. We'll see how it goes. The difference between us is you don't appear to believe any disruption is coming. I'm at least thinking about the post-apocalypse. I just haven't figured it out yet.

Why would I believe an apocalypse is coming without actual evidence? I have a life and actual problems to worry about.

Where is the legal brief, literary book, application written by AI without human intervention? How can something be “disruptive” before it actually makes anybody’s life easier?

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.

No, not yet. I'm also mid-50s. I might try to figure out if I can somehow limp to the end of my career. We'll see how it goes. The difference between us is you don't appear to believe any disruption is coming. I'm at least thinking about the post-apocalypse. I just haven't figured it out yet.

Yeah, get in line with the rest of us. I think my best idea is selling a luxury service to rich people.

-fed who's been trying to prepare for their job and entire field to disappear for a year now

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it’s alarmist. It’s also more of an elaborate self-promo than think piece, so manipulative as well.

And despite being created with AI help, it’s poorly written.

I didn't think it was poorly written at all. I'm a professional writer. Actually, I think it was very well written and explained these things in a very accessible way for a lay audience.

There is no gate to be a professional writer, so your appeal to (your own alleged) authority here is a logical fallacy in more ways than one.

Try again, using English. "There is no gate." What??!!

I earn my living by being a writer. I know good writing. Your critique of the writing of that thing is like someone commenting that the fire is ugly as the building burns. But what do you know anyway, you can't even express yourself clearly. But you're going to criticize writing. Make it make sense.

Gate as in a barrier to entry (think of gatekeeping).

Your knowledge of the English language is… lacking. And you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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As someone who works in tech with AI agents and frontier AI, this CEO is legit and is mapping out what most in Silicon Valley already know. Agree or disagree but he’s not some random person in DC spouting off opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.

Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch? I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for. Show me the results of AI and we can talk. At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another.

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built. Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point. This is reading like a cult manual. The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line.

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.

No, not yet. I'm also mid-50s. I might try to figure out if I can somehow limp to the end of my career. We'll see how it goes. The difference between us is you don't appear to believe any disruption is coming. I'm at least thinking about the post-apocalypse. I just haven't figured it out yet.

Why would I believe an apocalypse is coming without actual evidence? I have a life and actual problems to worry about.

Where is the legal brief, literary book, application written by AI without human intervention? How can something be “disruptive” before it actually makes anybody’s life easier?

Np here. This article is literally telling you what is happening. He’s on the inside. He sees it.

I work in tech. My company has gone all in on AI. We literally had a meeting this morning where we were told development is no longer the bottleneck in getting product out the door, because AI is speeding up their process so much. The change is happening so quickly. This was barely a pipe dream a year ago, and now it’s reality.

I get why the author is concerned. You don’t have to listen to him, but that won’t change the reality of what’s happening.

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If things are really as good/bad as he says they are then I don’t see what anyone can do.

I do agree that telling your kids to focus on learning/adapting as a skill vs particular subject matters or jobs makes sense but if all he needs to do is tell the AI “build me an app that does x y and z” then it’s kind of stupid to tell me to spend an hour a day “practicing” with Claude.

It’s very hard to tell how much of AI is inevitable and how much people just want it to be inevitable, but if it is inevitable at the level he is talking about then his advice is basically just sticking a finger in the dike and waiting for the economy to implode.

I am also really curious where these law firms expect to find senior partners and if AI replaces all the junior associates.

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Pp who works with AI agents - np above is on point. The author is on the inside and frankly doing a public service

Claude skills and cowork has rocked a lot of companies this January. Everyone is sprinting to adopt - it’s not hype or futurist predictions anymore.

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The really good AI goes to a different school. You wouldn’t know it.

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Anonymous wrote:If things are really as good/bad as he says they are then I don’t see what anyone can do.

I do agree that telling your kids to focus on learning/adapting as a skill vs particular subject matters or jobs makes sense but if all he needs to do is tell the AI “build me an app that does x y and z” then it’s kind of stupid to tell me to spend an hour a day “practicing” with Claude.

It’s very hard to tell how much of AI is inevitable and how much people just want it to be inevitable, but if it is inevitable at the level he is talking about then his advice is basically just sticking a finger in the dike and waiting for the economy to implode.

I am also really curious where these law firms expect to find senior partners and if AI replaces all the junior associates.

This is what I’ve been saying. How will you have senior developers if you never have junior developers?