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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there.  Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix.  And this is only going to keep getting better.[/quote]

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there.  I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor.  And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot.  You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything.  Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements.  AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.[/quote]

I can tell you didn't read the article. [/quote]

No, I did, and I think he’s lying.  I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying.  It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

[quote] Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.[/quote]

Very cool!  What app is this?  Where is it?  Can we use it?  Where are these apps written by AI?[/quote]

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees. [/quote]

Ok.  Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done?  Any jobs it has fully replaced?  Any books written by AI?  Any apps?  Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great!  But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me.  I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist. [/quote]

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field. 
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Again, where are these “advanced” AI tools writing apps from scratch?  I can’t critique something that I have been told exists but have not seen any actual evidence for.  Show me the results of AI and we can talk.  At this point you are talking about a religion not software.

I can critique the tools I use, which are good productivity software but will not replace me or anyone else.  [/quote]

He literally explains in the article you clearly didn't read. [b]He walks you through how to get the latest models through the paid versions and how you need to use prompts and not just use it like Google. [/b]The premise of the article is that most people are dismissive of the coming disruption because they're either using the free models or failing to use the very latest ones in the paid options. Which kind of sounds like you.

Is there a possibility this is just marketing? I suppose it is. But it's a strange way to market -- "here, go pay for this tool that's going to destroy everything." Also, it wasn't advocating one paid tool over another. [/quote]

Again, saying “I built an app” is different from showing us the app you built.  Why didn’t he have his AI build an app specifically for the article, since it is so easy?

I have been reading comments and articles like these for at least a year at this point.  This is reading like a cult manual.  The apocalypse is coming, I’ve seen God but I can’t give you proof of him, etc.[/quote]

Ok, you're making your choice. That's fine. See you on the unemployment line. [/quote]

And what are you doing to stay off the unemployment line?[/quote]

I haven't yet figured that out. Train to be a plumber, maybe. Teacher. Something that involves working with people. In the meantime, trying to learn these tools better.[/quote]

So, essentially, you’re not really doing anything, and you’re not doing more than anyone who uses the tools at work at finds them over-hyped.[/quote]

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