If you read nothing else today, read Matt Shumer on AI

[Anonymous]

This is alarming, but not alarmist. It is making the rounds this week. It’s a must-read to understand what it about to happen. Not in 10 years, more likely in the next one-to-two.

Maybe I will retrain to be a plumber or something.


https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening?fbclid=IwZnRzaAP6pfdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEeg3Oij6mY1B_GCLqt_RggOSduVkePMwV6HKnMwZemWFZSzQFbaN3FPSKRUgI_aem_MRW-NPtQq1TktuKMS-kdUg

[Anonymous]

Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

[Anonymous]

Of course it’s alarmist. It’s also more of an elaborate self-promo than think piece, so manipulative as well.

And despite being created with AI help, it’s poorly written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course it’s alarmist. It’s also more of an elaborate self-promo than think piece, so manipulative as well.

And despite being created with AI help, it’s poorly written.

I didn't think it was poorly written at all. I'm a professional writer. Actually, I think it was very well written and explained these things in a very accessible way for a lay audience.

[Anonymous]

It’s scary, he’s probably right, but I read this mostly as an ad to follow him and pay for the newest ai models.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I can see you didn't read the article. This is addressed in the beginning. It's not getting you 80% there anymore. It's 100%. And perfect. That's the point he's making. The new models are perfect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

[Anonymous]

He's correct for the wrong reasons.

None of you read Project 2025 or the 250 plan from the Heritage Foundation that came out this week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I can see you didn't read the article. This is addressed in the beginning. It's not getting you 80% there anymore. It's 100%. And perfect. That's the point he's making. The new models are perfect.

They're perfect the way Phillippine workers are really helping to drive the automated cars perfect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's correct for the wrong reasons.

None of you read Project 2025 or the 250 plan from the Heritage Foundation that came out this week.

Summarize please or is this whole thread going to be about how someone read something someone else won’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vibe coding....it gets you 80% of the way there. Some folks think that's good enough/don't know to check, others see this as full employment to fix. And this is only going to keep getting better.

I do not think vibe coding gets you 80% of the way there. I do not think vibe coding even gets you 60% of the way there for something minor. And I say that as someone who has used AI to code little tools for myself at work a lot. You have to understand logic and troubleshooting to even use AI to code anything. Coding is really, really complex and there are lots of security requirements and client requirements. AI is good for structured language and giving you snippets that you can use.

A lot of the “news” we are reading about AI feels like a scam.

I can tell you didn't read the article.

No, I did, and I think he’s lying. I think most of the people trying to sell AI are lying. It is a transformative tool, but these people are scammers.

For example, this dude writes:

Let me give you an example so you can understand what this actually looks like in practice. I'll tell the AI: "I want to build this app. Here's what it should do, here's roughly what it should look like. Figure out the user flow, the design, all of it." And it does. It writes tens of thousands of lines of code. Then, and this is the part that would have been unthinkable a year ago, it opens the app itself. It clicks through the buttons. It tests the features. It uses the app the way a person would. If it doesn't like how something looks or feels, it goes back and changes it, on its own. It iterates, like a developer would, fixing and refining until it's satisfied. Only once it has decided the app meets its own standards does it come back to me and say: "It's ready for you to test." And when I test it, it's usually perfect.

I'm not exaggerating. That is what my Monday looked like this week.

Very cool! What app is this? Where is it? Can we use it? Where are these apps written by AI?

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees.

Ok. Let me say this more plainly.

Can you name anything AI has done? Any jobs it has fully replaced? Any books written by AI? Any apps? Any notable content?

I use AI enterprise tools every day- they are great! But it is still a lot of work to verify, review, and rewrite what AI gives me. I can’t comment on these magical exclusive tools that will replace workers but I’m pretty sure they don’t exist.

So, you use AI enterprise tools every day, but you don't know what AI has "done?" Make up your mind.

Again, it's clear you didn't read the article. Your whole position seems to be "he's lying, because it doesn't align with what I'm seeing." But what he's saying is he sees things at much more advanced stages than you. The entire POINT of the article is people will dispute what he's saying because they'll say. "I'm using AI now and it's all that." But they're not actually using the latest models.

You're making his point for him.

His other point is people are leaving the field because of concerns of what it's about to do. See, e.g. the departure of Zoë Hitzig or Mrinank Sharma. These are not people who stand to gain by "lying" about this. How would they? They left the field.