UVA-Mcintire

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Anonymous wrote:If your daughter or son is at UVA, do they plan to apply to Mcintire? Or would love to hear from someone whose child stayed with economics as a major and what job they have now. Thank you!

Not quite what you are seeking, but my kid was a UVA Econ major and studied under Ken Elzinga who wrote her LOCs to Oxford for grad work in Econ. She’s going to a T3 law school to study law & Econ and perhaps become a professor. She had many friends in McIntire.

Write Dr Elzinga before you go and ask to visit him on campus. He did for my kid. You’ll never meet a kinder man.

I think he taught his final classes this fall! I think taught there for 70 yrs.

That would be difficult since he got his PhD in 1967. I just saw him at church and he said nothing about teaching his last class. But pp
is right - I bet he would meet with the applicant.

Ok, so just shy of 60 years, not 70.

He tag-team taught micro this fall. It was told to the kids or inferred that the guy teaching with him (McKay) is his replacement.

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Wharton grad in the White House!

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Business is all about risk management. If kid truly wants to major in business applying to direct admit schools is an indication that they properly understand risk management.

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Anonymous wrote:Business is all about risk management. If kid truly wants to major in business applying to direct admit schools is an indication that they properly understand risk management.

The schools are being pushed to direct admit because:

1) Students and parents become angry with the university when they can't get into their preferred programs after matriculating. This creates unneeded stress and ill-will with enrolled students.

2) Business students often don't really care about the exact nature of their liberal arts distribution requirements. I know this personally because I dropped an undergrad BBA degree to focus only on liberal arts/Economics. I think business classes can develop many of the same skills as liberal arts classes. And I agree that business is a solid undergraduate track even at elite schools. But the business students rarely match the interest pattems of, say, people who go on to humanities PhDs. They are very interested in prestige jobs and acquiring the exact skills and grades needed to access them.

3) Direct admit helps to manage the amount of applications and channel them properly. This is important in the current era of overwhelming application counts.

I have an MBA from Michigan. I have watched their BBA program evolve out of an LSA transfer to full direct admit program. It's been purely a demand and expectations management decision. Among other reasons, they need to make sure the LSA Economics majors really want to be Economics majors. There are plenty who do but there were also a lot rolling the dice to transfer to the BBA.

I also watched as Cornell eventually decided to add undergraduate business. (I also considered Cornell for an MBA.) That was a very deliberate strategic decision and it's consistent with student interest. Looks very popular. I think that was a good decision and fits Cornell's "Any Person, Any Study" mantra.

Regarding the AI analysis above, I don't think there's any need to wait for a year of college to make sure that kids are qualified to enter a business undergrad. There's nothing more special about a business program than engineering, for example.

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Direct admit would be so much better. As it is, you have roughly 2000 kids taking microeconomics freshman year for the chance to apply to 300 McIntire spots and everyone is smart and made the cut-off to get into UVA in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside: UVa should take the next step and make McIntire a direct admission program.

I heard a rumor W&M is considering making Mason direct admit so I imagine UVA will follow if so

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Anonymous wrote:Aside: UVa should take the next step and make McIntire a direct admission program.

I heard a rumor W&M is considering making Mason direct admit so I imagine UVA will follow if so

Highly doubt UVA cares much what W&M does.

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The undergraduate degree in Wharton is a BS in Economics.

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Penn State just went to a direct admit to Smeal. Will see how that goes. The way Penn State is doing it is a direct admit gives you a spot in Smeal but not necessarily the major of you choosing.

Typically, half of the kids who entered Penn State as undecided really wanted Smeal and try to transfer in.

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Anonymous wrote:Direct admit would be so much better. As it is, you have roughly 2000 kids taking microeconomics freshman year for the chance to apply to 300 McIntire spots and everyone is smart and made the cut-off to get into UVA in the first place.

Would be brutal for a direct admit. If they yield is the same, which I doubt, they would take about 750 kids for 300 spots. I bet over half the spots will be taken by ED applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside: UVa should take the next step and make McIntire a direct admission program.

I heard a rumor W&M is considering making Mason direct admit so I imagine UVA will follow if so

Highly doubt UVA cares much what W&M does.

Plenty of people who apply to both for business. McIntire and WM Mason are both sub 25% acceptance rates currently meaning a lot of people who are very set on studying business may get turned down. UVA isn't going to want to risk losing students to W&M who might want that guarantee.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Aside: UVa should take the next step and make McIntire a direct admission program.

I heard a rumor W&M is considering making Mason direct admit so I imagine UVA will follow if so

Highly doubt UVA cares much what W&M does.

Plenty of people who apply to both for business. McIntire and WM Mason are both sub 25% acceptance rates currently meaning a lot of people who are very set on studying business may get turned down. UVA isn't going to want to risk losing students to W&M who might want that guarantee.

I thought they were closer to 50%.

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Anonymous wrote:If your daughter or son is at UVA, do they plan to apply to Mcintire? Or would love to hear from someone whose child stayed with economics as a major and what job they have now. Thank you!

Not quite what you are seeking, but my kid was a UVA Econ major and studied under Ken Elzinga who wrote her LOCs to Oxford for grad work in Econ. She’s going to a T3 law school to study law & Econ and perhaps become a professor. She had many friends in McIntire.

Write Dr Elzinga before you go and ask to visit him on campus. He did for my kid. You’ll never meet a kinder man.

I think he taught his final classes this fall! I think taught there for 70 yrs.

That would be difficult since he got his PhD in 1967. I just saw him at church and he said nothing about teaching his last class. But pp
is right - I bet he would meet with the applicant.

My kid was in this class in the Fall. Elzinga is a legend but my kid also liked McKay and made it to office hours for both of them to get some one on one time. I had Elzinga when I was there in the early 90s. He's one of a kind!

https://news.virginia.edu/content/professor-guessed-hed-stay-3-years-was-58-years-ago

When we toured Northwestern, it really struck my student how they did not have an undergraduate school of business -- what they said on the tour was that Kellogg doesn't want them to. They want their undergraduates to learn about the stuff they will be doing business in/with. I like UVA offers a first year experience to try things across disciplines to determine if McIntire is a potential path for them or not.

From what I have heard and seen, there are plenty of non McIntire success stories out there -- also, there is a Comm Minor which has been gaining popularity. Give the opportunity to take McIntire classes but not have to commit to the entire program.



Ok, so just shy of 60 years, not 70.

He tag-team taught micro this fall. It was told to the kids or inferred that the guy teaching with him (McKay) is his replacement.

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All the kids want business these days. The computer science majors of a decade ago are now all applying to business. The engineering majors are trying to combine the degree with business. UVA should make McIntire direct admit so kids can make a good decision about where to go to college. My kid is sitting on a lot of direct admit acceptances and UVA. It is a gamble to accept UVA!! I heard you can’t even have one A- freshman year if you want to get accepted!! Sounds ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aside: UVa should take the next step and make McIntire a direct admission program.

I heard a rumor W&M is considering making Mason direct admit so I imagine UVA will follow if so

Highly doubt UVA cares much what W&M does.

Plenty of people who apply to both for business. McIntire and WM Mason are both sub 25% acceptance rates currently meaning a lot of people who are very set on studying business may get turned down. UVA isn't going to want to risk losing students to W&M who might want that guarantee.

I thought they were closer to 50%.

+2 I heard McIntire was 45-50% admit rate. I assume they balance for gender, so harder for boys to get in.