Horrifying organ donation article

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can be an organ donor without putting your name on a government registry. It's part of your healthcare legal documents. If you are in a coma, these can be provided to the hospital by your trusted healthcare power of attorney after cool, calm deliberation.

OP here. I do not have a problem with organ donation if made by my surviving family. I have no interest in being an organ donor when that decision is made by ghouls like the ones described in the NYT. I struggle to see an advantage to remaining on the organ donor list at this point, and regret being on it in the first place.

+1

That was my initial reaction, but I’m not sure I’d even want my family donating my organs at this point. One of the issues, according to the article, is that these organ procurement organizations get way too involved in the care of the sick person, if they know the family is open to donation. It also sounds like they might stop giving patients top tier care once they know they have a chance to take the organs.

[Anonymous]

My DD just got a new ID at 18 and chose to be an organ donor. This is horrifying. The people who worked at that DMV were so unkind and impatient - I hope they don’t give her a hard time if she goes back to remove herself from the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can be an organ donor without putting your name on a government registry. It's part of your healthcare legal documents. If you are in a coma, these can be provided to the hospital by your trusted healthcare power of attorney after cool, calm deliberation.

OP here. I do not have a problem with organ donation if made by my surviving family. I have no interest in being an organ donor when that decision is made by ghouls like the ones described in the NYT. I struggle to see an advantage to remaining on the organ donor list at this point, and regret being on it in the first place.

+1

That was my initial reaction, but I’m not sure I’d even want my family donating my organs at this point. One of the issues, according to the article, is that these organ procurement organizations get way too involved in the care of the sick person, if they know the family is open to donation. It also sounds like they might stop giving patients top tier care once they know they have a chance to take the organs.

Good point. But, the first step is to remove yourself from the registry at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.

Same here except I want to be cremated. Do not lop parts of me off to attach to other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.

Same here except I want to be cremated. Do not lop parts of me off to attach to other people.

That's a totally valid choice, but I do hope that you also then won't avail yourself of an organ donation, should you ever be in a position to need one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.

How do you do this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.

How do you do this?

I don’t see how you could possibly do that effectively. In a pressured situation with the ghouls pushing, I suspect the bright yes/no line has to be a hard one.

Also I can’t take anyone seriously who is calling the NYT right-wing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.

That's certainly your right but why? Do you think you'll need them there? Why wouldn't you save a life if you could at not cost to yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is insane and truly terrifying - "H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year."

Thanks to PP for the gift article.

So sad because organ donation is so important and can save so many lives.

This is why the “data driven” thing can really go wrong.

[Anonymous]

If you are an organ donor, make sure you have an advanced directive with your specific wishes clearly laid out. It's a legal document that hospitals and healthcare workers must follow. Make sure you let a close relative know about your advanced directive, too.

And honestly, an advanced directive is wise for all people to have. It takes the guesswork away from your relatives on what your wishes are if you are incapacitated and unable to speak or advocate for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is insane and truly terrifying - "H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year."

Thanks to PP for the gift article.

So sad because organ donation is so important and can save so many lives.

This is why the “data driven” thing can really go wrong.

This metric for grading seems to have bad incentive effects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are an organ donor, make sure you have an advanced directive with your specific wishes clearly laid out. It's a legal document that hospitals and healthcare workers must follow. Make sure you let a close relative know about your advanced directive, too.

And honestly, an advanced directive is wise for all people to have. It takes the guesswork away from your relatives on what your wishes are if you are incapacitated and unable to speak or advocate for yourself.

Yes, but in emergent situations where there isn’t easy access to an advanced directive, which is where a lot of organ donation comes from, that yes or no on the drivers license will control. And you are better off with it as a no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.

That's certainly your right but why? Do you think you'll need them there? Why wouldn't you save a life if you could at not cost to yourself?

I’m not the PP but what this article shows is that there is clearly a cost to the donating individuals—their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The article is INSANE-completely unacceptable level of error, by an order of magnitude. The level of incompetence and f-kry is going to set back donation by a generation.
-a physician

Please donate life. Be an organ donor.

[Anonymous]

No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death