JD Vance - Career model

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Anonymous wrote:I actually had pretty much the same trajectory as Vance - I grew up really poor, single mom, kind of crazy household. I joined the Army right out of high school, spent 4 years in, got out, went to college, then a great graduate program - and a crummy government job. The only difference was I didn't go to law school so I think Vance, at least there, was smarter than me. I'm just shocked at how right wing he has become because I thought he'd land on the side of helping the poor rather than screwing the poor.

Pretty big difference that he went to Yale law school, not just law school.

That is interesting too. He went to Yale law school from Ohio state? How did he manage that? Was he a star at Ohio — his stories seemed to be mostly about being drunk? Did he just kill it on the LSAT?

He finished in two years.

This is a good lesson for kids from poor backgrounds: go to your local state school and knock it out of the park. It will be very easy for a bright kid, and all the really brilliant kids have headed off to the Ivy and private schools. If you go directly to an elite schools you will be competing with students who have attended elite private school (50% of students at Ivy went to private school, yet 10% of students nationwide attend private), and the Stuy, TJ, etc college level courses at elite public high schools. I’m sure his high school experience was probably the equivalent to a good FCPS middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance has never litigated a case and can't understand a balance sheet.
But he has a much more important and lucrative skill: he can ingratiate himself to powerful people: Chua, Thiel, Trump.
His wife ... she may have been beautiful once, but is not now.

Vance could have looked like Elmer Fudd and ended up with her because they were setup by Chua as a power couple.

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that he understood the social trend. If you grow up poor, when did you become aware of what’s causing the poor to stay poor, what do you think contributed to that? What is our foreign policy and trade partner’ role in this? Why did we choose to “outsource” manufacturing in the 1980s?

Do you really think that manufacturing is the road to riches, and not tech? Man, you're a dumbass.

You're kind of a dumbass yourself, PP, because manufacturing and tech are intertwined. And there are huge national security implications. Reshoring is an active process right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually had pretty much the same trajectory as Vance - I grew up really poor, single mom, kind of crazy household. I joined the Army right out of high school, spent 4 years in, got out, went to college, then a great graduate program - and a crummy government job. The only difference was I didn't go to law school so I think Vance, at least there, was smarter than me. I'm just shocked at how right wing he has become because I thought he'd land on the side of helping the poor rather than screwing the poor.

Pretty big difference that he went to Yale law school, not just law school.

That is interesting too. He went to Yale law school from Ohio state? How did he manage that? Was he a star at Ohio — his stories seemed to be mostly about being drunk? Did he just kill it on the LSAT?

Geographic diversity. DEI/AA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very similar to Vance; grew up lower middle class with a dysfunctional family besotted with mental health and addiction issues (but it sounds like a LOT less violence or drama, mine was more low key alcoholism)

I ended up going to an elite school, but in science because I loved the subject, and my career so far has been pretty limited (some government labs after earning my MS). I would have loved to get into tech, but never cracked that code

Vance however transitioned into VC pretty easily right out of law school, before his rise to prominence with Hillbelly Elergy presented as a rubric to understanding Trumps ascendency. I can’t figure out if he had some legal skills or accomplishments that were groundwork for that VC pivot, but I feel our similar backgrounds would hold some lessons?

Not accurate.

Hillbilly Elegy was part of his work at Thiel's firm.

You know how some people hire an underemployed person to camp out in line to get tickets to a show or to buy th new iPhone?

That's what Thiel hired Vance to do, to hold a place in government for Thiel to buy.

This is a bit of a cynical take. A grain of truth. If you put it as, "a guy with billions met a bright guy with a good story who had national political potential" it sounds a lot less weird.

Obama kind of ran this same play. He sold his book about his combo underprivileged/privileged early years before he became a Senator. Obama's a better orator, but his very interesting life story is a lot less relatable to everyday voters. He also didn't have money or a present father, growing up. But he grew up in Hawaii, Indonesia, etc. And his dad wasn't American, etc. Not as relatable to Joe Average.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually had pretty much the same trajectory as Vance - I grew up really poor, single mom, kind of crazy household. I joined the Army right out of high school, spent 4 years in, got out, went to college, then a great graduate program - and a crummy government job. The only difference was I didn't go to law school so I think Vance, at least there, was smarter than me. I'm just shocked at how right wing he has become because I thought he'd land on the side of helping the poor rather than screwing the poor.

Pretty big difference that he went to Yale law school, not just law school.

That is interesting too. He went to Yale law school from Ohio state? How did he manage that? Was he a star at Ohio — his stories seemed to be mostly about being drunk? Did he just kill it on the LSAT?

Geographic diversity. DEI/AA

This is fairly ironic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually had pretty much the same trajectory as Vance - I grew up really poor, single mom, kind of crazy household. I joined the Army right out of high school, spent 4 years in, got out, went to college, then a great graduate program - and a crummy government job. The only difference was I didn't go to law school so I think Vance, at least there, was smarter than me. I'm just shocked at how right wing he has become because I thought he'd land on the side of helping the poor rather than screwing the poor.

Pretty big difference that he went to Yale law school, not just law school.

That is interesting too. He went to Yale law school from Ohio state? How did he manage that? Was he a star at Ohio — his stories seemed to be mostly about being drunk? Did he just kill it on the LSAT?

Geographic diversity. DEI/AA

I'm sure that helps at the margina but I bet his stats were pretty good. Yale isn't letting in morons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference is that he understood the social trend. If you grow up poor, when did you become aware of what’s causing the poor to stay poor, what do you think contributed to that? What is our foreign policy and trade partner’ role in this? Why did we choose to “outsource” manufacturing in the 1980s?

Do you really think that manufacturing is the road to riches, and not tech? Man, you're a dumbass.

You're kind of a dumbass yourself, PP, because manufacturing and tech are intertwined. And there are huge national security implications. Reshoring is an active process right now.

Hey Stupid, you know what else is always intertwined? FANG engineer parents & domestic household workers. Guess what, only one of them is making $400,000 per year.

Manufacturing does have HUGE national security implications. But no country is going to get rich through factories anymore and no person is going to get rich working in a factory either. But go ahead and encourage your child to skip college and look for a job on an assembly line. (My children have enough competition from Asia already.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference is that he understood the social trend. If you grow up poor, when did you become aware of what’s causing the poor to stay poor, what do you think contributed to that? What is our foreign policy and trade partner’ role in this? Why did we choose to “outsource” manufacturing in the 1980s?

Do you really think that manufacturing is the road to riches, and not tech? Man, you're a dumbass.

You're kind of a dumbass yourself, PP, because manufacturing and tech are intertwined. And there are huge national security implications. Reshoring is an active process right now.

Hey Stupid, you know what else is always intertwined? FANG engineer parents & domestic household workers. Guess what, only one of them is making $400,000 per year.

Manufacturing does have HUGE national security implications. But no country is going to get rich through factories anymore and no person is going to get rich working in a factory either. But go ahead and encourage your child to skip college and look for a job on an assembly line. (My children have enough competition from Asia already.)

Manufacturing doesn't necessarily require human workers. And the production of manufactured items requires technology. For example, Russia's entire war machine relies on imported US and Westerm European technology at critical points (machining equipment and software that runs it).

I hope we never go to war with China. I don't think it's highly likely. But if you look at what happened just regarding masks and ventilators during Covid, you'd hopefully be a bit more humble. Oldco manufacturing companies had to clean that mess up. Not Facebook product managers or Apple iPhone designers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

Science and politics are very different arenas of career advancement.

What kind of getting ahead would you like to do? Here are some options:

-Rise in management ranks
-Get research published
-Work somewhere elite
-Get grants/funding
-Win awards
-Better employer/better pay

You probably are missing out on some networking or mentoring. But there are different solutions for different issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JD Vance was professionally adopted by celebrity Amy Chua, who with her husband runs a weird little coven at Yale LAw School. He broke into the pseudo intellectual celebrity circuit, which got him a fake job at a VC.

These people have no skills except hobnobbing.

Socializing effectively is a sign of high interpersonal intelligence.

E.Q. is more important for career success past a certain base level of smarts.

Interesting, I am a very personable and have always made friends easily, but I’m not conventionally attractive (basically by buddies say I belong in the lab since I look like Igor — I mean not deformed, but short with exaggerated features). Vance is super tall, which always helps having presence, but I am not sure how good looking? His wife is beautiful so I have to think that speaks a bit to his looks.

I guess finding a mentor was a crucial bit of sounds like; I think I always felt like I didn’t belong so was somewhat shy around authority — maybe that was his skill, he carried the confidence to be noticed by Chua?

Vance is at least an average looking clean-cut guy which is good enough, I would say he's actually pretty smart (and sometimes comes across as seekingly intellectual), he was in the military, and he managed to make something out of himself. All big positives compared to wrinkly geriatric born-rich guys of various flavors. The bar is low.

I would say that Vance probably has excellent social skills. Most prominent politicians do, even if you don't like them or their ideas at all. It's certainly not all Amy Chua's doing. In fact, she and her husband got kind of cancelled at Yale recently due to personal scandals.

I think Donald Trump recognized Vance as a young "comer". Maybe he miscalculated about the political benefits, but Donald Trump is also good at reading people.

Even though I would never vote for Trump, I felt better when Vance got put on the ticket. Because he reads and thinks and I feel like he could read a CIA briefing and not turn around and share it with a golf buddy over cocktails. Trump told last go-around's VP candidates that they could run everything behind the scenes. What nervy young man wouldn't sign up to be defacto POTUS?

So the career guidance I need to work on social skills and building mentor relationships.

Yes. How old are you (decade-wise)?

The older I get, the more I see the impacts of personal relationships on careers.

Vance makes no secret of the fact that his wife trained him in etiquette/social niceties.

As a woman, I can say that it's a very profound experience to help someone close to you develop and succeed. This instinct often expresses in the form of mothering but can also be something found in a young couple's relationship. It doesn't always work out well in marriages but can be very bonding.

Vance may also give off confidence. That's a winning trait. However, my guess is that it is his intellectual side and his appreciation that won him the wife that he has. He was much more of a nobody when she met him.

So...TL; DR for you...do you show appropriate, engaging confidence? And do you have a bright partner who teaches you things, fosters your success, and is wise counsel for your ambitions?

Hmm, interesting take. I guess my mis step was marrying someone with my same background — we are both strivers from poor families and ended up as govt scientists. Neither of us knew how to navigate these social waters; we hoped to advance from hard work and smarts, but clearly the wrong kind of smarts.

Strivers here too haha. It’s possible to achieve the technical competency to have a stable career thru hard work. But emotional awareness and social skills are mostly a trait you are born with.