Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines

[Anonymous]

Some of us need deadlines and structure to succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

Of course you can recover from a single, non-test 50%. What a perfect “soft” failure for your kid to experience. If this has really messed with her head, I’d be seriously concerned about her ability to weather future failures or setbacks where the consequences are much greater. Is it really just get an A or completely give up?

Well there are many grades between an A and a F (50%) she could get so no it's not get an A and give up. It's, "I got a F in art. Never mind. This subject just isn't for me and it's MS so who cares. I want to go to college for electrical engineering anyway" mentality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.

I don't understand this. They can't get an A in a class this way. They may not fail but they won't get an A.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.

The sad part is that this is a middle school honors class. You just described the work ethic of my son and I’m sure there are many like him. He does that in honors classes too. He’s very content with Cs with minimal effort, picking and choosing assignments. I’m hoping he matures by the end of high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.

I don't understand this. They can't get an A in a class this way. They may not fail but they won't get an A.

Not OP or that poster. It’s because some kids don’t care about getting As.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the year 2000 a student didn't turn in any work they earned 0. Parents will ground the student and will learn the lesson.

Now the lowest grade we can earned is a 50%...... Parents will write an "excuse on why they couldn't complete the work.....
deadlines?
What deadlines?
Students can submit late work with no deductions! They can go back to previous semesters and submit work without deductions/penalties and the teacher have to accept it and do the paperwork for grade change.


In the real world there will be deadlines. If you miss the deadlines there will be penalty and mommy and daddy will not be able to call the credit card company and tell I can pay when ever I want to..

Let's talk about retakes. You might be able to retake your DMV Test, Praxis EXAM, or other exams but you have to pay for them.
back in the day test were given once and that was it.
When are we going to let students start taking responsible again?

Why do you care? Get a life!

Starts the weirdest threads.

[Anonymous]

I understand the frustration, but I find the issue of how the real world works hard to get behind. They have retakes because the goal is to learn the material, even if later than other kids. A middle school kid does not need to worry about things are done in the corporate world. That kid needs to learn the material and not give up. If they could afford to make the kids who don’t try go to summer school that is meaningful, or make them stay after, or come in on Saturdays to work with a tutor, that would be great. Something has to shift.

If my kid didn’t do an assignment and took a 50, you can be sure that kid would be doing the assignment as soon as I found about it, and I would assign an extra assignment that I would make up, on top of it.

[Anonymous]

I was completely irresponsible in high school. Didn’t care about grades at all. I didn’t study at all. My parents definitely helped me out. I matured throughout college and by the time I graduated, I was able to be successful in a job. If my parents had just let me sink in high school I wouldn’t have gotten to go to college and become successful.

I think 50s and retakes are good so you don’t just tank a kids future. They will grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.

That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.

I don't understand this. They can't get an A in a class this way. They may not fail but they won't get an A.

Not OP or that poster. It’s because some kids don’t care about getting As.

The issue is more behavior when half the class doesn't do the assignment that day because they know they can get a 50 and still pass.

[Anonymous]

So how do these kids get through college? Are retakes a thing now in college too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.

And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.

Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.

Of course you can recover from a single, non-test 50%. What a perfect “soft” failure for your kid to experience. If this has really messed with her head, I’d be seriously concerned about her ability to weather future failures or setbacks where the consequences are much greater. Is it really just get an A or completely give up?

Well there are many grades between an A and a F (50%) she could get so no it's not get an A and give up. It's, "I got a F in art. Never mind. This subject just isn't for me and it's MS so who cares. I want to go to college for electrical engineering anyway" mentality.

You said she got an F on a single assignment and then just gave up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the ultimate goal to have children turn in work on time or is to learn the subject material? You can want it to be both, but if only one is happening, you need to choose.

It should be both. They need to gradually learn these “soft skills” like turning work in on time, taking notes, etc. these are life skills that school overseas are still teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So how do these kids get through college? Are retakes a thing now in college too?

Some don’t, some mature. My DD had a retake in a freshman class. She attends a VA public college.