War with Iran

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone bring up how Iran seems to be surgically destroying our radar/communication infrastructure in the region?

Look the US military is total unprepared to fight a drone war. We have cut ties with the Ukrainians who are the most experienced military fighting peer to peer and embraced Russia.

The US and Israel have not attacked the drone facilities in Iran because Russian needs the drones made in Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

Your actual position is that the Saudis are upset we went after Iran, their #1 enemy in the region?? Bahaha ok. Re: Russia and China, no one is saying this is going to topple the Chinese government, but the goal (at least ostensibly) is to weaken their positions vis a vis the US. If you don't think China is aiming to become a global hegemon (or you do and you believe that would be a GOOD thing for the US), I sincerely don't know what to tell you. Also, this phrase alone completely disqualifies you to speak about the Middle East full stop: "Iran was a stable presence." Iran has been fomenting discord and violence throughout the region since 1979. They have exported terrorism to Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and beyond, and have killed scores of innocent people, including many Americans and 40,000 of THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

DP. Blah, blah blah, China, blah blah, Iran, blah, blah


We all know which country has destroyed Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine, etc. It is Israel. The center of international terrorism and killing over 100,000 in Gaza alone.

Open the gates of your torture facilities, release all those you hold in your death camps and stop all crimes against humanity. Arrest those who have committed crimes against humanity. Then come back here and point your finger at others.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

Your actual position is that the Saudis are upset we went after Iran, their #1 enemy in the region?? Bahaha ok. Re: Russia and China, no one is saying this is going to topple the Chinese government, but the goal (at least ostensibly) is to weaken their positions vis a vis the US. If you don't think China is aiming to become a global hegemon (or you do and you believe that would be a GOOD thing for the US), I sincerely don't know what to tell you. Also, this phrase alone completely disqualifies you to speak about the Middle East full stop: "Iran was a stable presence." Iran has been fomenting discord and violence throughout the region since 1979. They have exported terrorism to Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and beyond, and have killed scores of innocent people, including many Americans and 40,000 of THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

Iran is not their number 1 enemy in the region. Who told you that? Saudi and Iran get along. Iran even came out yesterday and called Saudi their brother country and adamantly denied bombing the oil fields. They claimed everything else but went out of their way to say they did not hit Saudi and they accused Israel of doing this. Why would they deny hitting the Saudi oil field? Well, because their lifeline is trading oil to China they don’t want their refineries hit.

Saudi media today (Al Arabia and other networks) are pointing the finger at Israel for the war. They weren’t blaming Iran. The plan to create civil war among Muslims or Muslims vs Christians has never ever ever worked anywhere the Zionists tried (Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, egypt). They don’t understand the regional dynamics. The oil rich part of eastern Saudi is actually Shia. Some know Persian/farsi. Arabic is also the main language for some southern Iranians.

The most transparent thing in the US press is MBS paying Trump for war. Everyone knows Netanyahu pushed for this war. Rubio even said it. Saudis, emiratis, Qataris have nothing to gain by war and they aren’t strong military powers at all. They are money and construction people like trump. They would’ve paid to rebuild Gaza to bring stability. They want peace not to be entangled in nonsense

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

Your actual position is that the Saudis are upset we went after Iran, their #1 enemy in the region?? Bahaha ok. Re: Russia and China, no one is saying this is going to topple the Chinese government, but the goal (at least ostensibly) is to weaken their positions vis a vis the US. If you don't think China is aiming to become a global hegemon (or you do and you believe that would be a GOOD thing for the US), I sincerely don't know what to tell you. Also, this phrase alone completely disqualifies you to speak about the Middle East full stop: "Iran was a stable presence." Iran has been fomenting discord and violence throughout the region since 1979. They have exported terrorism to Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and beyond, and have killed scores of innocent people, including many Americans and 40,000 of THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

DP. Blah, blah blah, China, blah blah, Iran, blah, blah


We all know which country has destroyed Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine, etc. It is Israel. The center of international terrorism and killing over 100,000 in Gaza alone.

Open the gates of your torture facilities, release all those you hold in your death camps and stop all crimes against humanity. Arrest those who have committed crimes against humanity. Then come back here and point your finger at others.

With all the death and destruction caused by Israel's and Netanyahu's promoted wars in the middle east, the number of slain should well exceed beyond a million.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Why does our government uphold a totally broken healthcare system? Money. The answer is always money. There is money behind the Israeli lobby. That’s literally it.

The reason for this war is that something terrible is in the Epstein files. That’s it. It’s not geopolitically wise to go after Persia.

Persia predates Judaism. It will outlast Judaism and Christianity. It has never been colonized. Oil prices will go through the roof. This is stupid.

Maybe I am being quaint but it is actually totally illegal to attack other sovereign nations because you don’t like their leaders.

Also, we killed Khamenei and our prize is a younger Khamenei.

The Arab countries do not have real skin in the game vis a vis Israel. They do not care what happens to the Palestinians. Egypt is the only country that has ever taken action on behalf of Israel.

Yeah this doesn't answer my question, like at all. Again, spending by lobby groups representing countries hostile to Israel far, FAR outstrips spending by the Israel lobby. And FWIW, the term "Israel Lobby" includes groups like J Street, which believe Israel should exist but oppose the current war in Iran. So why do people think the US is acting primarily/exclusively at the behest of Israel?

If your argument is that the Arab countries also support a war in Iran, then again - why is Israel being blamed exclusively? It would seem, if you're correct, that everyone in the region benefits from a weaker Iran. It would seem, in fact, that the only people who benefit from a nuclear/strong/unchecked Iranian regime are the members of that regime itself.

"Maybe I am being quaint but it is actually totally illegal to attack other sovereign nations because you don’t like their leaders." Ah yes, the inevitable appeal to international law. It is pretty quaint actually. What is international law nowadays, and who does it benefit? In 2026, the United Nations elected - you guessed it - IRAN vice-chair of its Charter Committee. Where was international law when 40,000 unarmed Iranian civilians were butchered by their own government? Ask yourself - whose sovereignty are you protecting? Certainly not that of the Iranian people, who overwhelmingly oppose the current regime, didn't vote for it, and are willing to die to overthrow it.

I think "if you threaten us, attack our allies, illegally seek to acquire nukes, and slaughter tens of thousands of your own people, we are going to do something about it" is a pretty good precedent to set, actually. Whether it ends up benefitting the US long term is an open question that neither you nor I know the answer to, but I'm not losing a single wink of sleep over the IRGC's "sovereignty."

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

Your actual position is that the Saudis are upset we went after Iran, their #1 enemy in the region?? Bahaha ok. Re: Russia and China, no one is saying this is going to topple the Chinese government, but the goal (at least ostensibly) is to weaken their positions vis a vis the US. If you don't think China is aiming to become a global hegemon (or you do and you believe that would be a GOOD thing for the US), I sincerely don't know what to tell you. Also, this phrase alone completely disqualifies you to speak about the Middle East full stop: "Iran was a stable presence." Iran has been fomenting discord and violence throughout the region since 1979. They have exported terrorism to Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and beyond, and have killed scores of innocent people, including many Americans and 40,000 of THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

Iran is not their number 1 enemy in the region. Who told you that? Saudi and Iran get along. Iran even came out yesterday and called Saudi their brother country and adamantly denied bombing the oil fields. They claimed everything else but went out of their way to say they did not hit Saudi and they accused Israel of doing this. Why would they deny hitting the Saudi oil field? Well, because their lifeline is trading oil to China they don’t want their refineries hit.

Saudi media today (Al Arabia and other networks) are pointing the finger at Israel for the war. They weren’t blaming Iran. The plan to create civil war among Muslims or Muslims vs Christians has never ever ever worked anywhere the Zionists tried (Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, egypt). They don’t understand the regional dynamics. The oil rich part of eastern Saudi is actually Shia. Some know Persian/farsi. Arabic is also the main language for some southern Iranians.

The most transparent thing in the US press is MBS paying Trump for war. Everyone knows Netanyahu pushed for this war. Rubio even said it. Saudis, emiratis, Qataris have nothing to gain by war and they aren’t strong military powers at all. They are money and construction people like trump. They would’ve paid to rebuild Gaza to bring stability. They want peace not to be entangled in nonsense

Hahahahahaa. sorry. Hahahahahahaha

[Anonymous]

Former U.S. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene:

“If your church leaders and elected leaders are telling you the way to bring Jesus back is by killing innocent children of innocent foreign people you’ve never met in a foreign land you’ve never been to, then you’re believing the lies of wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing.”

[Anonymous]

I’m so happy Netanyahu made the 40 year comment because people think it’s conspiracy when you point out how meticulous these plots are.
Former General Wesley Clark famously stated in 2001 that the US was going to invade or overthrow seven governments in the Middle East and his comment was right on target. Obviously he was briefed as a general.

This Iran was was planned long before trump even considered running

[Anonymous]

War*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Why does our government uphold a totally broken healthcare system? Money. The answer is always money. There is money behind the Israeli lobby. That’s literally it.

The reason for this war is that something terrible is in the Epstein files. That’s it. It’s not geopolitically wise to go after Persia.

Persia predates Judaism. It will outlast Judaism and Christianity. It has never been colonized. Oil prices will go through the roof. This is stupid.

Maybe I am being quaint but it is actually totally illegal to attack other sovereign nations because you don’t like their leaders.

Also, we killed Khamenei and our prize is a younger Khamenei.

The Arab countries do not have real skin in the game vis a vis Israel. They do not care what happens to the Palestinians. Egypt is the only country that has ever taken action on behalf of Israel.

Also, FYI. Persia does not predate Judaism (500 BCE vs. 2000 BCE).

[Anonymous]

Maybe off topic but I can’t stand to watch all those white men smiling at Trump constantly. He’s off on a tangent, smile, he’s spouting misinformation, smile, he makes a joke, smile and laugh. When will one of them snap? My bet is Lil Marco.

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Anonymous wrote:Exclusive: Iran nears deal to buy supersonic anti-ship missiles from China
By John Irish, Parisa Hafezi and Gavin Finch

February 24, 2026

LONDON, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Iran is close to a deal with China to purchase anti‑ship cruise missiles, according to six people with knowledge of the negotiations, just as the United States deploys a vast naval force near the Iranian coast ahead of possible strikes on the Islamic Republic.
The deal for the Chinese‑made CM‑302 missiles is near completion, though no delivery date has been agreed, the people said. The supersonic missiles have a range of about 290 kilometres and are designed to evade shipborne defences by flying low and fast. Their deployment would significantly enhance Iran’s strike capabilities and pose a threat to U.S. naval forces in the region, two weapons experts said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-nears-deal-buy-supersonic-anti-ship-missiles-china-2026-02-24/

Iran has a right to defend itself.

We have a right to punch hard before they can.

Actually we don’t- Do people not know this?

Keep wringing your hands. This is about survival.

Whose survival? To exist as a sovereign nation, Israel has to take care of its own survival. American taxpayer should not be on the hook for survival of any other country be it countries in Europe, Israel or any others. Our people are filing medical bankruptcies while our treasury is being looted for wars.

Yes, and 17% of every dollar spent in the U.S. is spent on medical. Not every tax dollar. Every dollar. Higher than any other country in the world by far.

Whose fault is that? You wanted Uncle Sam to take over one-sixth of the economy with 2,000 page legislative bills written by the DNC.

So don't whine now. We're living the health insurance "nirvana" :roll: YOU created.

You’re right; other countries have the government provide healthcare altogether at a lesser cost. I’m happy to move to that system.

I'm happy to stop you from any more Grand Plans. You always screw it up and do not take human nature and human character into account.

You want it, YOU pay for it. All the ponzi scheme entitlements from FDR, LBJ, and Barack Obama are collapsing, albeit slowly. That math was never going to work.

I simply want what we happily subsidize for Israeli citizens.

Healthcare funded by government
Sick leave for everyone
Family leave for everyone
Housing supports
Government funded education

You’re happy to subsidize the Israeli way of life, why can’t we have it for ourselves?

Why can't you do this for yourself? Socialism never ends well.

american tax payers fund this for Israel- why? why are we borrowing money from China, bankrupting our own citizens to kill Arabs and pay for healthcare, rent, education for Israelis??? why?????

Actually, our govt borrows by far the most money from American citizens. Why should govt pay for your healthcare? Don't you work. Do you have insurance? Why is it govt's responsibility to pay your rent? Don't you work. Govt already pays for your education through your property taxes (or rent through which your landlord uses to pay their property taxes). If you want the govt to pay for everything for you then move to a socialist country.

So what's it called when the US government pays for everything for another country? A gift?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe off topic but I can’t stand to watch all those white men smiling at Trump constantly. He’s off on a tangent, smile, he’s spouting misinformation, smile, he makes a joke, smile and laugh. When will one of them snap? My bet is Lil Marco.

He must have something on all of them-- "one question, a snicker, anything but a big smile, and you'll be joining me in prison?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Why does our government uphold a totally broken healthcare system? Money. The answer is always money. There is money behind the Israeli lobby. That’s literally it.

The reason for this war is that something terrible is in the Epstein files. That’s it. It’s not geopolitically wise to go after Persia.

Persia predates Judaism. It will outlast Judaism and Christianity. It has never been colonized. Oil prices will go through the roof. This is stupid.

Maybe I am being quaint but it is actually totally illegal to attack other sovereign nations because you don’t like their leaders.

Also, we killed Khamenei and our prize is a younger Khamenei.

The Arab countries do not have real skin in the game vis a vis Israel. They do not care what happens to the Palestinians. Egypt is the only country that has ever taken action on behalf of Israel.

Also, FYI. Persia does not predate Judaism (500 BCE vs. 2000 BCE).

Zoroastrianism and Persian culture does in fact predate Judaism.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe off topic but I can’t stand to watch all those white men smiling at Trump constantly. He’s off on a tangent, smile, he’s spouting misinformation, smile, he makes a joke, smile and laugh. When will one of them snap? My bet is Lil Marco.

It’s very creepy. It’s like they’re zombies.