War with Iran

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is evidence of so many war crimes by the IRGC on camera. You can try to spread propaganda and lies, but there is actual proof. We have receipts.

I think you hit enter before making your point. What was it going to be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Why does our government uphold a totally broken healthcare system? Money. The answer is always money. There is money behind the Israeli lobby. That’s literally it.

The reason for this war is that something terrible is in the Epstein files. That’s it. It’s not geopolitically wise to go after Persia.

Persia predates Judaism. It will outlast Judaism and Christianity. It has never been colonized. Oil prices will go through the roof. This is stupid.

Maybe I am being quaint but it is actually totally illegal to attack other sovereign nations because you don’t like their leaders.

Also, we killed Khamenei and our prize is a younger Khamenei.

The Arab countries do not have real skin in the game vis a vis Israel. They do not care what happens to the Palestinians. Egypt is the only country that has ever taken action on behalf of Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is evidence of so many war crimes by the IRGC on camera. You can try to spread propaganda and lies, but there is actual proof. We have receipts.

lol

About Defendant
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.

Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024

Accused LastName
Netanyahu
Accused FirstName
Benjamin
Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu

Wow

[Anonymous]

Estimated length of war chart skyrocketing like a number of measles cases chart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is evidence of so many war crimes by the IRGC on camera. You can try to spread propaganda and lies, but there is actual proof. We have receipts.

lol

About Defendant
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.

Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024

Accused LastName
Netanyahu
Accused FirstName
Benjamin
Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu

Wow

Is Netanyahu still hiding in Berlin? Someone should arrest him and send him to the Hague for countless murders on his hands

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

[Anonymous]

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She’s his Mossad honeypot

[Anonymous]

I don’t think most Americans understand what we just did. The Iranians trusted us three times in negotiations and we burned them. Our Arab allies paid into trump Kushner slush fund and invested in the us economy
And now their oil fields and nations are burning despite the US military bases supposedly being a promise of protection.

The entire region will never trust us ever again in negotiation. We tricked them and now we played into the radicals hands. They will gain more of a following by saying “you see, never trust America. America sucks”

The ones pulling the strings of course want an angered Middle East upset at America and vice versa to stoke the flames of the wars they always wanted apparently for five decades

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The question shouldn’t be how are we paying but why isn’t Israel paying?
Enough bullying of Saudi Arabia and America to pay for things. They have more than enough money to pay for this war. Netanyahu should personally be sued by all the dead soldiers’ families.

[Anonymous]

Anyone bring up how Iran seems to be surgically destroying our radar/communication infrastructure in the region?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think most Americans understand what we just did. The Iranians trusted us three times in negotiations and we burned them. Our Arab allies paid into trump Kushner slush fund and invested in the us economy
And now their oil fields and nations are burning despite the US military bases supposedly being a promise of protection.

The entire region will never trust us ever again in negotiation. We tricked them and now we played into the radicals hands. They will gain more of a following by saying “you see, never trust America. America sucks”

The ones pulling the strings of course want an angered Middle East upset at America and vice versa to stoke the flames of the wars they always wanted apparently for five decades

We are currently carpet bombing the urban population better of Theran, a city of 9M. Lord, the US and Israel really seem to be the terrorist making business. The Iranians won’t forget this.

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Anonymous wrote:Exclusive: Iran nears deal to buy supersonic anti-ship missiles from China
By John Irish, Parisa Hafezi and Gavin Finch

February 24, 2026

LONDON, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Iran is close to a deal with China to purchase anti‑ship cruise missiles, according to six people with knowledge of the negotiations, just as the United States deploys a vast naval force near the Iranian coast ahead of possible strikes on the Islamic Republic.
The deal for the Chinese‑made CM‑302 missiles is near completion, though no delivery date has been agreed, the people said. The supersonic missiles have a range of about 290 kilometres and are designed to evade shipborne defences by flying low and fast. Their deployment would significantly enhance Iran’s strike capabilities and pose a threat to U.S. naval forces in the region, two weapons experts said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-nears-deal-buy-supersonic-anti-ship-missiles-china-2026-02-24/

Iran has a right to defend itself.

We have a right to punch hard before they can.

Actually we don’t- Do people not know this?

Keep wringing your hands. This is about survival.

Whose survival? To exist as a sovereign nation, Israel has to take care of its own survival. American taxpayer should not be on the hook for survival of any other country be it countries in Europe, Israel or any others. Our people are filing medical bankruptcies while our treasury is being looted for wars.

Yes, and 17% of every dollar spent in the U.S. is spent on medical. Not every tax dollar. Every dollar. Higher than any other country in the world by far.

Whose fault is that? You wanted Uncle Sam to take over one-sixth of the economy with 2,000 page legislative bills written by the DNC.

So don't whine now. We're living the health insurance "nirvana" :roll: YOU created.

You’re right; other countries have the government provide healthcare altogether at a lesser cost. I’m happy to move to that system.

I'm happy to stop you from any more Grand Plans. You always screw it up and do not take human nature and human character into account.

You want it, YOU pay for it. All the ponzi scheme entitlements from FDR, LBJ, and Barack Obama are collapsing, albeit slowly. That math was never going to work.

I simply want what we happily subsidize for Israeli citizens.

Healthcare funded by government
Sick leave for everyone
Family leave for everyone
Housing supports
Government funded education

You’re happy to subsidize the Israeli way of life, why can’t we have it for ourselves?

Why can't you do this for yourself? Socialism never ends well.

american tax payers fund this for Israel- why? why are we borrowing money from China, bankrupting our own citizens to kill Arabs and pay for healthcare, rent, education for Israelis??? why?????

Actually, our govt borrows by far the most money from American citizens. Why should govt pay for your healthcare? Don't you work. Do you have insurance? Why is it govt's responsibility to pay your rent? Don't you work. Govt already pays for your education through your property taxes (or rent through which your landlord uses to pay their property taxes). If you want the govt to pay for everything for you then move to a socialist country.

You’re right. Israel deserves healthcare, not Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone bring up how Iran seems to be surgically destroying our radar/communication infrastructure in the region?

There is a game theorist from Yale talking about how their ultimate targets will be the desalinization plants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ryHuOLVmQ. From Haviv Rettig Gur. He is an Israeli journalist, but not a right-winger, and has been quite critical of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.

FWIW, I am very much NOT a Trump supporter and certainly do not believe his motives vis a vis Iran are pure. That said, I've never understood (and still don't) the position that everything America does in the Middle East is at Israel's behest or on Israel's behalf. Two seconds of scrutiny would reveal that to be ridiculous. The attack on Iran benefits Israel, yes - that is absolutely undeniable. But the US independently perceives it to be in the US's interests, for several reasons: (1) it threatens Chinese/Russian hegemonic ambitions, (2) it pushes Iran's Arab neighbors closer to the US, and (3) it weakens an American adversary and reduces the threat of a nuclear Iran. Whether the attack can/will actually achieve these aims (or whether these aims are worth achieving) is certainly up for debate. Personally, I'm skeptical, but also don't think the US is WORSE off for having eliminated Khamenei and damaged the power structure surrounding him. If the US gets bogged down in a ground war, that calculus changes obviously.

But seriously - why would America, the most powerful country in the world, act exclusively on behalf of Israel, a tiny, politically fractured nation of ten million people? Some nebulous "Israel lobby" that somehow pulls all the strings in US politics? That strikes me as conspiracy theory nonsense. Funds expended by AIPAC and other pro-Israel organizations are absolutely DWARFED by political spending by Arab nations. Take Qatar for instance. Since about 2017, Qatar has spent on the order of $225 – $256 million on registered lobbying, public relations, and related paid influence work. That's not including the billions (yes billions) of dollars it has given to U.S. universities and educational programs. And that's ONE country. The Middle East is full of oil-rich Arab/Muslim-majority countries who likewise spend billions on influencing U.S. politics.

If someone can explain this to me with actual sources (that aren't, like, Al Jazeera), I'd appreciate it because I am actually curious what animates this view other than bizarre monomania re: Israel.

Respectfully this is all horse shit. The Saudis are furious right now that the US has left them for dead.Russia and china are not getting cut off at the knees at all. We need China more than they need US. The cheap goods we receive come from China, the strait of Hormuz. Trump did not bring back the manufacturing jobs that his fans believed he would bring to the US.

There is no net benefit and it was not in the United States’ interest to fight Iran. If anything, Irans was a stable presence that the US even relied on during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. They are a regime yes but so are alot of our allies in the Middle East. Destabilizing and toppling the government of stable nations does not mean a better one will come along.

Your actual position is that the Saudis are upset we went after Iran, their #1 enemy in the region?? Bahaha ok. Re: Russia and China, no one is saying this is going to topple the Chinese government, but the goal (at least ostensibly) is to weaken their positions vis a vis the US. If you don't think China is aiming to become a global hegemon (or you do and you believe that would be a GOOD thing for the US), I sincerely don't know what to tell you. Also, this phrase alone completely disqualifies you to speak about the Middle East full stop: "Iran was a stable presence." Iran has been fomenting discord and violence throughout the region since 1979. They have exported terrorism to Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and beyond, and have killed scores of innocent people, including many Americans and 40,000 of THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Estimated length of war chart skyrocketing like a number of measles cases chart.

Or like March 2020, when there were only a handful of confirmed Covid cases in the U.S. and they said they’d keep it contained.