Protests on college campuses

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Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

I agree with the bolded. Creating a safe space and community for Jewish students has nothing to do with the actions of Israel. Which is why asking campus Hillel groups to divest from Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Or how about calling for all Newman centers to dissociate from the Catholic Church? Right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

where do you see hillel as being fans of netanyahu?! here are their guidelines - please point me to the part that you think means they want a one state solution because that isn't my experience with hillel and i don't see it anywhere.

https://www.hillel.org/israel-guidelines/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe these schools are having their work crews clean up the mess that protesters left. Why aren’t the *protesters* required to clean it up??

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/police-move-in-on-ucla-protesters-after-tense-standoff-5403d55c?st=334ob5y4ehcndus&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Their families clearly didn't teach them at home to clean up after themselves. Find those parents and charge them.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

where do you see hillel as being fans of netanyahu?! here are their guidelines - please point me to the part that you think means they want a one state solution because that isn't my experience with hillel and i don't see it anywhere.

https://www.hillel.org/israel-guidelines/

There doesn't seem to be any point in arguing with progressives. For them, Hillel is the same as Hamas. In fact, Hillel is worse because it apparently supports genocide, whereas Hamas is merely a resistance movement.

[Anonymous]

Today, around a hundred students assembled at UT, protested for a few hours, and dispersed without incident. Looks like UT has handled this the right way.

I’ll be surprised if this gets any national coverage.

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787169510316818529?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787191507725791383?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

[Anonymous]

wonderful, wonderful

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wonderful, wonderful

"In Nazi Germany, children chanted "Juden Raus" (Jews out!) at rallies and even had a board game of the same title."

This. The idea of Jewish guilt is foundational in Western Civilization. Times are tough, people are frustrated? Then look no further than your favorite scapegoates! Fill in the blank with heinous crime and accuse the Jews of it! Then the pressured rumor mill will take over and convince the community of the good that it is obligatory... even righteous(!) that they destroy the Jews before the Jews destroy everything they hold dear. It's a traditional bonding exercise! A team building activity!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe these schools are having their work crews clean up the mess that protesters left. Why aren’t the *protesters* required to clean it up??

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/police-move-in-on-ucla-protesters-after-tense-standoff-5403d55c?st=334ob5y4ehcndus&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Their families clearly didn't teach them at home to clean up after themselves. Find those parents and charge them.?

Such a stupid trope. The police move in, destroy the encampment, arrest the students and you are complaining about the mess left behind? It was left behind by the police not the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Or how about calling for all Newman centers to dissociate from the Catholic Church? Right?

Such a bizarre argument. Please don’t try to bring your Christian analogs to this discussion because they are inappropriate in ways you don’t even see

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today, around a hundred students assembled at UT, protested for a few hours, and dispersed without incident. Looks like UT has handled this the right way.

I’ll be surprised if this gets any national coverage.

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787169510316818529?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787191507725791383?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

Shame on UT for not protecting their Jewish students and letting Hamas just openly terrorize the campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Or how about calling for all Newman centers to dissociate from the Catholic Church? Right?

No, it would be like calling for them to dissociate with France or maybe the Vatican City. Nobody is demanding Hillel end its association with Judaism or discontinue supporting Jewish students.

This inability to distinguish between an individual’s Jewish identity and the State of Israel is disturbing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

NP. So why as a form of protest are you against people asking the campus Hillel groups to divest from Hillel international until they stop supporting the actions of the Israeli govt? As you say, plenty of Israeli people are protesting against the Israeli govt in Israel. The request is not anti Semitic. It’s yet another way to out pressure on the current govt.

For the record, I strongly think this is a two way street. I believe the protestors who are connected to Hamas should be called out. And counter-protestors are not only in the right, but I would argue have an obligation to point this out and ask protest groups/palestinian support groups etc to divest financially and from using the symbols of Hamas (like the picture of the guy with the terrorist headband).

You might believe in unicorns too, but that does not mean they exist. None of the protestors are objecting whatsoever to the protestors who support Hamas, including explicitly. That hasn’t changed since 10/7.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe these schools are having their work crews clean up the mess that protesters left. Why aren’t the *protesters* required to clean it up??

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/police-move-in-on-ucla-protesters-after-tense-standoff-5403d55c?st=334ob5y4ehcndus&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Their families clearly didn't teach them at home to clean up after themselves. Find those parents and charge them.?

Such a stupid trope. The police move in, destroy the encampment, arrest the students and you are complaining about the mess left behind? It was left behind by the police not the students.

All that crap didn't need to be there in the first place (including they're own in buckets). And it doesn't explain all the graffiti on the stone and brickwork.