ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:The car was turning right away from the agent. The agent was trying to block the vehicle from leaving. Shooting dead the driver does not help the agent. It made the steering wheel automatically rewind to the left and back to the direction of the agent.

The agent had already made up his mind to shoot the driver when she backed up his car.

Yes, there is no world in which this video exonerates him. She was turning the steering wheel right. The car was pulling out. We've all seen that action thousands of times in our lifetime. There is no point in that video where it makes any sense to start taking headshots.

I am a school teacher who does carpool / bus duty every morning and afternoon.

I’m in as much danger as officer Ross was. Should I carry a piece to shoot parents?

Exactly this. It's hard to believe that a hardened law enforcement official "feared for his life" in that video. Not even MAGA would believe he's that big of a snowflake. He wanted to shoot.

This video does make clear that the shooter was literally very easily triggered. He was angry because the speaker mocked him and called him “big boy”. That’s why he pulled his gun.

So.. her wife got her killed?

This what they mean by the fragile male ego, I guess. A stunted man child acted out when he didn’t get his way and fellow man children back him up.

This like Andrew Tate level stuff lmao

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

How is ICE not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency? They are upholding the immigration laws Congress passed.

ICE is not hauling people off like the Nazis did. They are deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries.

The American people voted for this, but some arrogant liberals believe their opinions matter more than other people’s - that you/they have the right to dictate public policy in this country and impede the enforcement of the laws that Congress passed.

Your post is filled with lies to make yourself seem like some sort of savior. You openly advocate for Congress deposing a lawfully elected administration, just because you don’t like its policies. I didn’t like Biden’s policies. Maybe Biden shouldn't have opened up the border to everyone in the world and ICE’s actions wouldn’t be necessary.

The Nazis passed laws to make it legal to deport and later execute Jews. Did that make it okay?

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

JFC how thick can you be? Of course it doesn't give permission to kill someone. The officer made a mistake, one that he should receive some kind of reprimendation for. The point that some of us posters are making is that it was an understandable mistake given that,six months earlier he was hospitalized for being dragged by another driver, dealing with someone who was intentionally blocking him in (extremely hostile and agressive behavior) and being antagonized and belittled by the wife (who seemed to be part of the incident) and likely the victim herself. When the victim left she did so recklessly, coming within inches of hitting him (I don't think she was intentionally trying to hit him, but I think she was taking off in a huff)

All of these circumstances together led him to make a split second decision to shoot. The wrong decision, a decision that will at a minimum cost him his job, but given the situation not hard to see how such a mistake happened. These people are in a job where emotions are high, safety is always a concern, and if they make a mistake it could lead to tragedy. It's certainly not a job I could do, because honestly I don't know if I would have been able to keep from backhanding that b**** wife for talking to me like that. But I know that I am not cut out for such a job and sympathize greatly with officers who have to deal with a$$holes who deliberately try to heckle and insult them.

Shooting three times is not just a "mistake".

Especially the two shots after the initial shot. This required repositioning and aiming again. Enough time for a trained LEO to take a pause and realize the first shot was unnecessary. Resuming the shooting is to realize that permanently silencing the victim/witness is better than potentially having them survive to testify against you. Whatever you think of the Uvalde cop, this moron should be on trial way more than him.

The "danger" had passed by the time those two shots were taken (i.e., the kind of danger we all navigate in the grocery store parking lot every day). He has no case.

The “danger” occurred a second earlier.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

JFC how thick can you be? Of course it doesn't give permission to kill someone. The officer made a mistake, one that he should receive some kind of reprimendation for. The point that some of us posters are making is that it was an understandable mistake given that,six months earlier he was hospitalized for being dragged by another driver, dealing with someone who was intentionally blocking him in (extremely hostile and agressive behavior) and being antagonized and belittled by the wife (who seemed to be part of the incident) and likely the victim herself. When the victim left she did so recklessly, coming within inches of hitting him (I don't think she was intentionally trying to hit him, but I think she was taking off in a huff)

All of these circumstances together led him to make a split second decision to shoot. The wrong decision, a decision that will at a minimum cost him his job, but given the situation not hard to see how such a mistake happened. These people are in a job where emotions are high, safety is always a concern, and if they make a mistake it could lead to tragedy. It's certainly not a job I could do, because honestly I don't know if I would have been able to keep from backhanding that b**** wife for talking to me like that. But I know that I am not cut out for such a job and sympathize greatly with officers who have to deal with a$$holes who deliberately try to heckle and insult them.

NP. No, PP. It is not a "mistake." It is murder. If he can't keep from reacting like that, then he never should have been allowed to do this job. Not only was he allowed, he was probably encouraged. Kristi Noem should be indicted for murder, too.

And you are right that you should absolutely not be allowed to be a LEO. I sincerely hope you do not own a gun.

It’s not murder because it's understandable that within that split second of almost being hit he would have thought that it was doing so intentionally
Keep in mind this is a woman who shortly before was using her car to block the officers in. An incredibly brazen and hostile act. Not something “normal” protestors do.

Keep telling the lie about getting blocked in, it definitely doesn’t make you seem desperate.

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The clip in this article is a bit longer and there is silence followed by someone calling her a f###### b#### then you hear a gunshot. Does not sound like self defense whatsoever. You can also clearly hear the girlfriend telling her to “drive baby drive” before the whole thing so it sounds like he shot her to prevent her from driving. Also officers are not supposed to approach a vehicle at the front so what he did was not protocol. I’m no expert but this is what I heard and saw.

https://deadline.com/2026/01/ice-officer-shooting-minneapolis-media-1236677894/

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

Hey, I'm a doctor, and I get a lot more than that in the ER many days. If someone spits in my face AND belittles and insults me, is it still professional for me to choke them out?

DP.

Nope, but if they do something that you reasonably believe imminently endangers your life, and you have no other option, you’re entitled to defend yourself.

Such as stepping backwards?

Moreover, if a patient has previously been abusive towards you, that obviously impacts a reasonable person’s assessment of what constitutes threatening behavior.

So while her actions prior to moving the car obviously do not independently justify the shooting, they actually are relevant to whether the shooting was justified.

You mean when she tells him, "I'm not mad at you?"

That’s part of it (pointing to fault on his part), but so is her partner’s hostility, her hostility, and her failure to obey their commands.

Exceptionally complex situation. Facts supporting both “sides”, as is usually the case IRL.

Failure to obey commands?
This is not a police state. ICE doesn’t have unfettered authority to issue commands. ICE’s task is to enforce immigration laws. That’s it.

The correct place to argue that is in court, not during a tense confrontation with federal agents in the middle of a street.

And again, the point here is that it’s legally relevant to determining reasonableness.

Ok, when will we see charges and the start of the investigation?

Very soon, I hope. As I said previously, looks like a very close call to me.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

How is ICE not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency? They are upholding the immigration laws Congress passed.

ICE is not hauling people off like the Nazis did. They are deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries.

The American people voted for this, but some arrogant liberals believe their opinions matter more than other people’s - that you/they have the right to dictate public policy in this country and impede the enforcement of the laws that Congress passed.

Your post is filled with lies to make yourself seem like some sort of savior. You openly advocate for Congress deposing a lawfully elected administration, just because you don’t like its policies. I didn’t like Biden’s policies. Maybe Biden shouldn't have opened up the border to everyone in the world and ICE’s actions wouldn’t be necessary.

Tell that to the American citizens who have been detained and harassed by ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:The car was turning right away from the agent. The agent was trying to block the vehicle from leaving. Shooting dead the driver does not help the agent. It made the steering wheel automatically rewind to the left and back to the direction of the agent.

The agent had already made up his mind to shoot the driver when she backed up his car.

Yes, there is no world in which this video exonerates him. She was turning the steering wheel right. The car was pulling out. We've all seen that action thousands of times in our lifetime. There is no point in that video where it makes any sense to start taking headshots.

I am a school teacher who does carpool / bus duty every morning and afternoon.

I’m in as much danger as officer Ross was. Should I carry a piece to shoot parents?

Exactly this. It's hard to believe that a hardened law enforcement official "feared for his life" in that video. Not even MAGA would believe he's that big of a snowflake. He wanted to shoot.

This video does make clear that the shooter was literally very easily triggered. He was angry because the speaker mocked him and called him “big boy”. That’s why he pulled his gun.

So.. her wife got her killed?

No. Ross pulling his gun and shooting her three times in the head got her killed.

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This thread is the new Fairfax Underground. I am so grateful to live in a bubble of decent people. I hope the mutants providing laughable defenses to this murder get what they deserve in life.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

JFC how thick can you be? Of course it doesn't give permission to kill someone. The officer made a mistake, one that he should receive some kind of reprimendation for. The point that some of us posters are making is that it was an understandable mistake given that,six months earlier he was hospitalized for being dragged by another driver, dealing with someone who was intentionally blocking him in (extremely hostile and agressive behavior) and being antagonized and belittled by the wife (who seemed to be part of the incident) and likely the victim herself. When the victim left she did so recklessly, coming within inches of hitting him (I don't think she was intentionally trying to hit him, but I think she was taking off in a huff)

All of these circumstances together led him to make a split second decision to shoot. The wrong decision, a decision that will at a minimum cost him his job, but given the situation not hard to see how such a mistake happened. These people are in a job where emotions are high, safety is always a concern, and if they make a mistake it could lead to tragedy. It's certainly not a job I could do, because honestly I don't know if I would have been able to keep from backhanding that b**** wife for talking to me like that. But I know that I am not cut out for such a job and sympathize greatly with officers who have to deal with a$$holes who deliberately try to heckle and insult them.

Shooting three times is not just a "mistake".

Especially the two shots after the initial shot. This required repositioning and aiming again. Enough time for a trained LEO to take a pause and realize the first shot was unnecessary. Resuming the shooting is to realize that permanently silencing the victim/witness is better than potentially having them survive to testify against you. Whatever you think of the Uvalde cop, this moron should be on trial way more than him.

The "danger" had passed by the time those two shots were taken (i.e., the kind of danger we all navigate in the grocery store parking lot every day). He has no case.

The “danger” occurred a second earlier.

How do you think that argument will play out in court? It's no longer self-defense at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

JFC how thick can you be? Of course it doesn't give permission to kill someone. The officer made a mistake, one that he should receive some kind of reprimendation for. The point that some of us posters are making is that it was an understandable mistake given that,six months earlier he was hospitalized for being dragged by another driver, dealing with someone who was intentionally blocking him in (extremely hostile and agressive behavior) and being antagonized and belittled by the wife (who seemed to be part of the incident) and likely the victim herself. When the victim left she did so recklessly, coming within inches of hitting him (I don't think she was intentionally trying to hit him, but I think she was taking off in a huff)

All of these circumstances together led him to make a split second decision to shoot. The wrong decision, a decision that will at a minimum cost him his job, but given the situation not hard to see how such a mistake happened. These people are in a job where emotions are high, safety is always a concern, and if they make a mistake it could lead to tragedy. It's certainly not a job I could do, because honestly I don't know if I would have been able to keep from backhanding that b**** wife for talking to me like that. But I know that I am not cut out for such a job and sympathize greatly with officers who have to deal with a$$holes who deliberately try to heckle and insult them.

NP. No, PP. It is not a "mistake." It is murder. If he can't keep from reacting like that, then he never should have been allowed to do this job. Not only was he allowed, he was probably encouraged. Kristi Noem should be indicted for murder, too.

And you are right that you should absolutely not be allowed to be a LEO. I sincerely hope you do not own a gun.

It’s not murder because it's understandable that within that split second of almost being hit he would have thought that it was doing so intentionally
Keep in mind this is a woman who shortly before was using her car to block the officers in. An incredibly brazen and hostile act. Not something “normal” protestors do.

You need to look at Dean Withers instagram account. He just posted a slowed down analysis showing his feet and there was ZERO danger. In fact, when he first shoots, he is standing on the ball of his foot toward the car and the wheel is completely turned away from him. The second two shots were a point blank range on the side of the vehicle. Honestly a jury could take one look at how he broke down the footage and convict him. There is zero reasonable doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

And here's the other thing. ICE is not acting like a legitimate law enforcement agency. They are acting like gestapo. Period. And American people, the ones who studied history, are unwilling to just let this gestapo agency haul people off the way the Nazis did. Americans are laying down their lives, putting themselves in danger for others. ICE entered school property in Minneapolis and tear gassed students and teachers. Students and teachers!!! Grown men did this.

My husband and I, who are as anti gun as possible, talked last night about getting a gun. This doesn't end peacefully. Either congress is going to step up and get rid of this entire administration or Americans are going to end up at war with each other. I don't see any other way out of this. I don't want this to be the case, but since it appears we don't really have a functioning congress anymore, I think this ends in civil war.

Then you should beg your Democrat mayors, attorneys general, & governors to cooperate with ICE by handing over illegal aliens who end up in their courts & jails. This is all preventable, but Democrats WANT it to be messy & bloody.

So this was suicide by cop in an effort to become a martyr? That's your position?

yes, dem leadership is sacrificing their own.

Sure Vlad. This mom of 3 had just finished dropping off her 6 yo at school. She wasn’t trying to get killed. She was just trying to get away from a trigger happy fool ICE guy.

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Anonymous wrote:She literally said ‘I am not mad at you’ seconds before he blew her head off. How does that show she is ‘unhinged’

She said it in a very snide tone. But honestly, I think her wife is the once who escalated it and holds most of the responsibility. How stupid can you be to block in law enforcement and then belittle and insult them?

So is the moral here that we can kill people who approach us with a snide tone? Trump is snide all the time. Vance is too. In fact, this entire admin is snide. So, it seems logical that snideness is more than acceptable in the US.

JFC how thick can you be? Of course it doesn't give permission to kill someone. The officer made a mistake, one that he should receive some kind of reprimendation for. The point that some of us posters are making is that it was an understandable mistake given that,six months earlier he was hospitalized for being dragged by another driver, dealing with someone who was intentionally blocking him in (extremely hostile and agressive behavior) and being antagonized and belittled by the wife (who seemed to be part of the incident) and likely the victim herself. When the victim left she did so recklessly, coming within inches of hitting him (I don't think she was intentionally trying to hit him, but I think she was taking off in a huff)

All of these circumstances together led him to make a split second decision to shoot. The wrong decision, a decision that will at a minimum cost him his job, but given the situation not hard to see how such a mistake happened. These people are in a job where emotions are high, safety is always a concern, and if they make a mistake it could lead to tragedy. It's certainly not a job I could do, because honestly I don't know if I would have been able to keep from backhanding that b**** wife for talking to me like that. But I know that I am not cut out for such a job and sympathize greatly with officers who have to deal with a$$holes who deliberately try to heckle and insult them.

Shooting three times is not just a "mistake".

It is when it’s done within a second of almost being hit by a car.

Nope. Each separate shot has to be justified.

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Someone needs to explain why he was unholstering his gun at the 28 second mark of the body cam footage- well before she starts to move her car.