The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

PP here. First, I don't need assistance in parsing my reaction to a character on a TV show. I thought the guy was gross from the second he got in the pool to meet Portia.

Second, you are deranged.

Ad hominem attacks aside, you didn’t answer the question: “Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?”

DP. If it was a fictional character on a TV show? Sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Ethan was a bigger mark than Albie.

Harper played him like a fiddle with psychological manipulation to get what she wanted — her filthy rich weirdo husband wrapped around her finger and impregnating her.

Cameron and his wife orbited him to corrupt him and bring them all closer, so when they get back Ethan will wire a boatload of money to Cam to “manage”. Asset management is just a scam to milk to money for management fees forever.

Nobody likes Ethan. People just want his money, even the snarky conniving lawyer he’s married to.

I don’t agree with this at all. Harper was not manipulative. She doesn’t seem to care about the money at all and is mostly concerned that it’s going to mess up their marriage (which it does). At the end she is kind of manipulative I guess, when they both ended up playing Daphne/Cameron games with each other, but that’s a result of everything that went down on the trip. She was not like that to start

Totally agree. I also don't get the sense that Harper is anywhere near as enthralled with having the "big" money they now have. It sounds like she grew up working class in Puerto Rico and is still very tight with her family there (if they spent their honeymoon there). She's now a lawyer at a large firm which gives her financial security plus plenty of the nice things in life -- cute clothes, vacations. I think Harper would be happy with her UMC lifestyle and nothing more.

But the thing about Daphne/Cameron that did provoke jealousy was how affectionate they are and how much fun they seem to be having. I do actually think that Harper was right about them in some ways. We see at different times that to some degree, that is a show they put on for themselves and others. We know that Daphne definitely has some strong negative feelings about the cheating and also just how absent her husband sometimes is, but she finds different ways to bury them down deep and enjoy the good stuff about her marriage. And that scene with Cam flossing indicates that he's got some of his own issues that he does a very good job of glossing over.

My personal opinion is that this will work out for a Daphne/Cam couple for a while but that eventually it won't anymore. My experience in life is that at some point you have to deal with the stuff underneath, no matter how good you get at shoving it down. It will happen when you are no longer quite so young and hot and you don't command the same attention you used to, or when your career takes an unfortunate left turn, or when your kids get older and need you less, or when your parents die, or when you get sick or injured and have to confront your own mortality. I've seen it happen many times. Cam and Daphne have worked something out. For now.

Haha! Harper is an attorney, you can't trust attorneys from the get-go. Spare me her practicing specialty, she knows most of those workplace lawsuits are bullsh*t shake downs. Harper admits to giving her husband's money to her family. Harper admits she wants to launch a non-profit foundation. How do you make a splash in the foundation world? Big money. Her ~ $300k law firm income isn't big money. Late 30s Harper is also yearning for a baby before she's barren. Tick-tock. Harper and Ethan are not attracted to each other, they're just using each other out of convenience. He's an autistic loner, addicted to porn, and deeply weird around women; she needs a deep-pocketed meek husband who can fund her foundation desires and lift her extended family out of poverty and impregnate her to set her for life. She is fully aware at this point without kids, this could be a starter marriage the rich husband could immediately walk away from. And then she's just another rapidly aging, increasingly infertile single lawyer approaching 40. But it's humorous how most viewers are so drawn to Aubrey Plaza, the actress, they don't see what a conniving shyster lawyer she is. She's Megan Markle and Lauren Sanchez with a law degree.

Wow, what female attorney hurt you. This is insane and has no basis in the show

So Harper is just an altruistic corporate lawyer? Imagine believing this nonsense. She's a corporate shake-down artist. She's in a sexless marriage with an autistic weirdo because HE'S FILTHY RICH, period.

1) she’s a plaintiff side employment lawyer. That’s the opposite of a corporate lawyer. 2) She was with him before she sold the company. Divorcing and taking her half would make a lot of sense for her but she wants to save her marriage.

I’m sorry that you hate women but the creators of this show don’t, which is why you’re so completely out to lunch on these interpretations.

Harper didn't hang a shingle. There was a line in episode 1 or 2 that "Harper's a star at her firm." Large corporate firms have talent with niche focuses including labour, employment; discrimination, sexual harassment, whistleblowing. These can be multi-million settlements, if not sometimes class action status reaching into the eight figures.

No, Plaintiff's side employment firms are generally not big corporate firms. It's a totally different business model (contingency vs hourly rate) plus they would be conflicted off a ton of cases because of their corporate clients. But anyway, this line of argument is ridiculous and even if Harper was indeed a "corporate lawyer" (the horror!) that does not mean she was running some elaborate scam on Ethan.

Nobody said it was elaborate, it's just human nature. You're being a dork muddying up a thread seizing on whether or not she worked for a large law firm or the degree of prestige of said law firm—when she in fact does work at an apparently sizable "firm" where she's a rising "star". The point is this isn't some altruistic innocent babe in the woods. She's a working class striver who became a successful lawyer and married a Yale entrepreneur. That's not all by coincidence or because she doesn't care about money and status. She vocalized a desire to have a baby, then used the defense mechanism that they were wishy-washy about it because of how bad the world is. She doesn't have a baby because they're in a sexless marriage. A sexless marriage with a newly filthy rich husband has an expiration date. She clearly was manipulating her husband to lure him back into the fold. There was even focus on her belly in the last scene to demonstrate she got what she wanted. Save the marriage with a baby, so her rich husband can't walk away from the starter marriage.

You don’t get it. Harper’s lottery ticket already paid out. His assets are (half) her assets. She’s McKenzie Bezos. The only reason she has for wanting to save her marriage is wanting to save her marriage.

You're assuming an awful lot about his business and when they met and married. Jeff was married to McKenzie when he first founded Amazon. You're also neglecting Harper's age. She's late 30s and baby hungry, she wants a baby with this rich shmuck a-sap. Not some random guy she meets after divorce, if she's even still fertile by then.

Incorrect. Not just about Harper, but about the Bezos marriage. They married in 1993 and BOTH quit their jobs in 1994 to start Amazon.

You really hate women, don't you. And you can never consider them equals to men.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

PP here. First, I don't need assistance in parsing my reaction to a character on a TV show. I thought the guy was gross from the second he got in the pool to meet Portia.

Second, you are deranged.

Ad hominem attacks aside, you didn’t answer the question: “Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?”

Depends. Is she gross and unattractive, or, if a TV show, being portrayed as gross and unattractive?

There is no way a bunch of women on here would call an abused, young female sex worker gross and unattractive for self medicating because they were being used by older, male psychopaths who ended up trying to murder a woman. Please stop pretending.

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^^^ Ah. I see you did acknowledge that. But Harper still doesn't need to have a baby to get a huge settlement.

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Does Harper ever say she wants a baby? I don't remember that.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

Yeah I'm also not sure why it's "genius" to make a working-class white guy a victim. I mean, I agree that he was one in the show. While the female prostitutes are "happy hooker" types who come out on top, thereby absolving the men who sleep with them of any guilt/wrongdoing bc no one's getting exploited if everyone's getting exploited. Or something

Because it goes against the conventional, reductionist narrative that all female sex workers are tragic victims and that white guys are inherently privileged. Jack has it worse than almost anyone on the show, but this isn’t a PC narrative thread to employ even though there are countless victims of sexual abuse who are white men who grew up with no privilege whatsoever. It shows that Mike White isn’t just employing lazy “woke” narrative devices that have by now become cliche.

Ok. I mean women are much, much more likely to be victims of sexual abuse. Not sure why choosing to make the male the only victim of that in the show makes him a "genius". If anything, I think the female prostitute storyline was naive and wishful thinking about what sex work is actually like for women

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

Bert was pure? My ass. He destroyed his family.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Harper ever say she wants a baby? I don't remember that.

They say that they have decided to try for kids together after being unsure bc of their concerns about bringing kids into the messed up world. In the conversation Harper seems more excited about it and she is also the only one trying to make sex happen so that seems to suggest that she is the driving force.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

Yeah I'm also not sure why it's "genius" to make a working-class white guy a victim. I mean, I agree that he was one in the show. While the female prostitutes are "happy hooker" types who come out on top, thereby absolving the men who sleep with them of any guilt/wrongdoing bc no one's getting exploited if everyone's getting exploited. Or something

Because it goes against the conventional, reductionist narrative that all female sex workers are tragic victims and that white guys are inherently privileged. Jack has it worse than almost anyone on the show, but this isn’t a PC narrative thread to employ even though there are countless victims of sexual abuse who are white men who grew up with no privilege whatsoever. It shows that Mike White isn’t just employing lazy “woke” narrative devices that have by now become cliche.

Ok. I mean women are much, much more likely to be victims of sexual abuse. Not sure why choosing to make the male the only victim of that in the show makes him a "genius". If anything, I think the female prostitute storyline was naive and wishful thinking about what sex work is actually like for women

As someone relatively young by DCUM terms, I think this view is a bit out of date. For Zoomers, SW is significantly destigmatized and looks more like a “sugar baby” arrangement (like Lucia and Dom for the week) than street walking. It’s not as grim and gritty as it once was. I have several friends who have engaged in SW on some level and they all otherwise have normal lives.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

Bert was pure? My ass. He destroyed his family.

Yeah if you hate Harper and think Bert is "pure" that says a lot about you

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Anonymous wrote:He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

+1. Very astute observation. All the progressive feminist strivers love Aubrey Plaza but are quick to call a white young male sex trafficking victim white trash. Wow just wow.

You are aware that you are addressing multiple people on this board but acting as if we all have the same opinions about two different characters? Do you understand how message boards work, and that those of us arguing that you are just wrong about Harper haven't necessarily said boo about Jack, and vice versa?

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

Yeah I'm also not sure why it's "genius" to make a working-class white guy a victim. I mean, I agree that he was one in the show. While the female prostitutes are "happy hooker" types who come out on top, thereby absolving the men who sleep with them of any guilt/wrongdoing bc no one's getting exploited if everyone's getting exploited. Or something

Because it goes against the conventional, reductionist narrative that all female sex workers are tragic victims and that white guys are inherently privileged. Jack has it worse than almost anyone on the show, but this isn’t a PC narrative thread to employ even though there are countless victims of sexual abuse who are white men who grew up with no privilege whatsoever. It shows that Mike White isn’t just employing lazy “woke” narrative devices that have by now become cliche.

Ok. I mean women are much, much more likely to be victims of sexual abuse. Not sure why choosing to make the male the only victim of that in the show makes him a "genius". If anything, I think the female prostitute storyline was naive and wishful thinking about what sex work is actually like for women

As someone relatively young by DCUM terms, I think this view is a bit out of date. For Zoomers, SW is significantly destigmatized and looks more like a “sugar baby” arrangement (like Lucia and Dom for the week) than street walking. It’s not as grim and gritty as it once was. I have several friends who have engaged in SW on some level and they all otherwise have normal lives.

I don't disagree that there is high-end sex work (especially online, or long-term sugar baby stuff) but Lucia and Mia are not at the high end. They are having in-person sex with random tourists they pick up at a hotel

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jack saved Portia’s life. He was probably supposed to kill her

He didn't strike me as a killer, just a hustler.

This. His "job" was to keep her busy and out of the way. As to whether he was attractive, his styling got worse and worse. He looked attractive in the beginning but by the end he was sweaty and greasy, made to drunk or hungover.

Then why didn’t he just say ok get out of the car, this is where I’m dropping you off. Why get out of the car, smoke a cigarette, look like he was conflicted, and say your smart don’t go back to the hotel, go straight to the airport and leave.

Because he's supposed to kill her or deliver her to be killed. And if she shows up on TV after talking to the police he's going to have to explain himself to people he is afraid of.

He was conflicted bc he was participating in Tanya's murder, IMO, and felt bad about it. I don't think he was preparing to kill Portia. They didn't show a gun or any weapon and they weren't anywhere hidden. Was he going to kill her in broad daylight on the side of a public highway?

I don’t think he was supposed to kill her as the A plan, he was just supposed to keep her away and out of touch. She wasn’t supposed to figure anything out. It’s possible that he OUGHT to have killed her given her suspicions, but decided to just warn her and let her go.

I agree with this.

But I also think people overestimate how much the “bad guys” care about Portia figuring things out. It’s southern Italy. They’re not afraid of the cops.

I agree with this except the victim is a very wealthy American. It's likely Tanya's family, whoever's left of them, or her attorneys, advisers, will launch an investigation and pressure the FBI to engage the Italians. Portia is a very key witness and I don't think that would be overlooked.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

Years-long scam? I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Unsure about how many years but it's clear Harper's quite cunning and manipulative. And there is some urgency involved in her scheming because he just cashed out, their marriage is sexless, he's not sexually attracted to her even in the most romantic setting, and she's on the wrong side of 30, which means tick-tock on her own beauty and fertility. There's a very long thread in the relationship forum about selfish men who steal a partner's fertility. This is a very real and very valid concern among women Harper's age. What are her prospects if they divorce? She gets a chunk of money, okay. Is her next husband a high status Yale tech titan? No. He's one in a million, she's a dime a dozen late 30s lawyer. How long does it take her to find a new husband? This would all fuel a survival instinct in her to do any and all things necessary to lure him back into her web. Attorneys, like actresses, are professional liars paid to manipulate an audience. Harper's a seasoned pro and she played her husband like a fiddle.

Pure misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting how so many viewers think Harper is just another Aubrey Plaza sarcastic witty character they love no matter what, so they refuse to consider any ulterior motives. She's just a low-key ball breaking corporate lawyer from Puerto Rican poverty, who just randomly met a rich Yale boy who founded a multi-billion (?) tech company. She is not at all attracted to prestige or money! She's above that! And she totally doesn't fear her billionaire net worth (or at least hundreds of millions) husband whom she has no children with and she doesn't have sex with could leave her like presumably the dozens of other starter marriages she's seen fail around her in the last 10 or so years. Harper is a good person!

Omg, stop with this

DP. I called this wacko out pages ago when he dropped the red pill comment and had a lot of posters jumping all over me, but I stand by it and thing I was right. #sorrynotsorry

You sound lovely, dear. Perhaps viewers have a different opinion than yours. Television shows are open to interpretation.

I am lovely. Thank you.