Real talk: are there going to be enough teachers for summer school?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

You keep talking about these wonderful benefits. The mediocre health insurance and beyond terrible so-called tuition reimbursement? Those great benefits? You have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

You keep talking about these wonderful benefits. The mediocre health insurance and beyond terrible so-called tuition reimbursement? Those great benefits? You have no idea what you’re talking about.

I didn't say anything about the quality of the benefits. The prior PP, who identifies as a teacher with 16 years experience, said "The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them." Clearly that PP does not think the benefits are horrible. And yes, if you work for MCPS, your employer pays for a larger share of your health insurance than county government or neighboring school systems do for their employees. Your health plans do not have deductibles and your copays are between $10-$25. MCPS is the only Maryland school system to provide a pension supplement for its employees. Your pension is not integrated with Social Security, so your benefits do not go down when you reach Social Security retirement age. For those of us that don't work for MCPS, that sounds pretty good. I agree the salaries are nothing to write home about, especially in a high cost area like this, but they are comparable to other school systems in the area. And I don't know about you, but it has never been a secret that teaching is not going to earn you big bucks. It's not terrible, but it's not great either.

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People who think teachers have “great benefits” don’t really want to listen otherwise. The benefits and pension are constantly getting chopped and nickel and dimed every year just like the private sector has gone through. Things are very different now even compared to just 10 years ago. The Great Recession forced the state and local school systems to cut back on benefits and pension by at least 20%. Now salaries and benefits and copays are getting getting a tiny bit worse every year or not keeping up with inflation.

Schools systems are notorious for giving a cost of living increase but then raising premiums by an almost equal amount and then calling it a pay increase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who think teachers have “great benefits” don’t really want to listen otherwise. The benefits and pension are constantly getting chopped and nickel and dimed every year just like the private sector has gone through. Things are very different now even compared to just 10 years ago. The Great Recession forced the state and local school systems to cut back on benefits and pension by at least 20%. Now salaries and benefits and copays are getting getting a tiny bit worse every year or not keeping up with inflation.

Schools systems are notorious for giving a cost of living increase but then raising premiums by an almost equal amount and then calling it a pay increase.

I mean if you just make sh$t up you can argue anything you want.

Health care costs are going up for everyone. Your cost of living increase is more than your premium increase, that is just a bald-faced lie. MCPS cannot control the fact that it costs more to provide the same health benefits.

You'll have to elaborate on the cuts to pensions. That will be news the BOE and the County Council lol.

There is just too much dishonesty here. SMH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

How many days of vacation does your DS get? Is he off all summer, two weeks at Christmas, a week in spring, etc? Teachers work part-time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

The health benefits are good but it’s insurance for a rainy day. If it doesn’t rain for me (and it hasn’t), it is not money in my pocket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

The health benefits are good but it’s insurance for a rainy day. If it doesn’t rain for me (and it hasn’t), it is not money in my pocket.

Well then it sounds like you should ask MCEA to bargain for high deductible plans that will lower your premiums

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

The health benefits are good but it’s insurance for a rainy day. If it doesn’t rain for me (and it hasn’t), it is not money in my pocket.

Well then it sounds like you should ask MCEA to bargain for high deductible plans that will lower your premiums

And for context from those of us living in the real world, I literally put 30% of my gross income into my retirement account (and live below my means to achieve this) because I don't have a pension, and certainly not one that isn't integrated with Social Security.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

The health benefits are good but it’s insurance for a rainy day. If it doesn’t rain for me (and it hasn’t), it is not money in my pocket.

Well then it sounds like you should ask MCEA to bargain for high deductible plans that will lower your premiums

And for context from those of us living in the real world, I literally put 30% of my gross income into my retirement account (and live below my means to achieve this) because I don't have a pension, and certainly not one that isn't integrated with Social Security.

What do you think pensions are? Employees pay into them monthly and have no choice except to do so....you don’t sound very smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who think teachers have “great benefits” don’t really want to listen otherwise. The benefits and pension are constantly getting chopped and nickel and dimed every year just like the private sector has gone through. Things are very different now even compared to just 10 years ago. The Great Recession forced the state and local school systems to cut back on benefits and pension by at least 20%. Now salaries and benefits and copays are getting getting a tiny bit worse every year or not keeping up with inflation.

Schools systems are notorious for giving a cost of living increase but then raising premiums by an almost equal amount and then calling it a pay increase.

MCPS has far better salary and benefits than equal county government jobs. MCPS teachers get paid more than county social workers, nurses, public health folks, etc. who work 12 months vs. 10 months and are required to have a masters to even get the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

How many days of vacation does your DS get? Is he off all summer, two weeks at Christmas, a week in spring, etc? Teachers work part-time.

Wow. You’re actually the stupidest person to ever post on DCUM. Congratulations! Teachers have a contract. They work within those contracted hours. Just like other contract employees. No one works part time. They work within a contract. How is it 2021 and people are still out here spewing such ignorant and uneducated remarks?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

The health benefits are good but it’s insurance for a rainy day. If it doesn’t rain for me (and it hasn’t), it is not money in my pocket.

Well then it sounds like you should ask MCEA to bargain for high deductible plans that will lower your premiums

And for context from those of us living in the real world, I literally put 30% of my gross income into my retirement account (and live below my means to achieve this) because I don't have a pension, and certainly not one that isn't integrated with Social Security.

What do you think pensions are? Employees pay into them monthly and have no choice except to do so....you don’t sound very smart.

If you compare it to equal county jobs, the county took away pensions yeas ago. Its all relative.

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My teacher friend just retired early. And I don't blame her--she's not teaching summer school and she's not going back next year.

When you find out you are only a childcare worker, and people really don't care about their kids learning or about the teacher / childcare worker's health, why bother?

Why not retire early? Find another career? Do something people actually seem to value and don't scream at you over? Plenty of jobs out there now.

Oh can it with the child care thing. Do you not like it that women work outside the home? Or is your self-esteem just based entirely on being "more" than a lowly child care worker? I'm sorry that it offends you that the existential threat to women's careers associated with virtual learning is a problem for many families. Maybe have some perspective? Because I support teachers, I think they deserve better pay and more funding for school supplies and less bureaucracy, but as a woman who WOH and respects child care teachers, you lost me on this one.

It's not the school districts responsibility to deal with your childcare issues. What if your child fell seriously ill and couldnt attend school? What if a global pandemic happened and schools closed? Oh wait...

Right, still losing me. Why is it surprising that parents don't care about teachers, when teachers clearly don't care about parents? Oh, you're going to lose your job because you can no longer work without child care, and there were already severe child care shortages before the pandemic so it's not easy to find someone to care for your children? Not only is it not my problem, but IT'S OFFENSIVE TO ME THAT THIS IS STRESSFUL FOR YOU?"

It doesn't matter how many times you say "you're losing me." The fact is that it is not the school district's responsibility to warehouse your children for you in buildings while you work, at all times and in all world conditions. You don't like that. That's a You Problem.

So many ridiculous things in this comment. First, never have parents had the expectation that school systems will "warehouse" their children "at all times". That's just embarrassing that you would try to claim that. Second, child care is an everyone problem. Child care is a public good that has not received the funding that it needs. Even before the pandemic, there were child care shortages that prevented women who wanted to work, from working. Now, given the pandemic, did it make sense to close school buildings while cases were surging? I'm not a public health expert, but let's say yes (closing them all year...is a debate for another thread). Even if it was the right thing to do, you have to at least recognize that taking a major source of child care away from working parents - not just during school hours, but also all the before and after care programs that were shut down (as well as several full day child care providers for young children that operated in schools and were not permitted to reopen for months), put families in a huge bind. So when teachers (REAL TEACHERS) go on Facebook whining about how "school is not child care" and "take care of your children" it sounds really glib and insensitive. You can whine all you want about how it's "not the school system's responsibility" - but that choice, by the school system to essentially wash its hands of this issue until child care providers got together and advocated for a solution for parents (after 5 months) had major negative economic impacts for families, to say nothing of the impact on children.

The discussion is about summer school jobs, not year round. The summer school jobs don't pay as much as year round. So, if it costs you more in child can than you earn, why work that job for two months.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to find teachers because of all the credentialing involved in Maryland. If some of the licensing is relaxed, people will run to get MCPS jobs for the high salaries and amazing benefits. Private schools have no issues finding teachers because they don’t subscribe to the same credentialing rules. And no, you don’t need all those credentials to be a great teacher .

High salaries? My DS just graduated from college last spring. He got his first job right away and made more money in his first year of working than I make in my 16th year of teaching. Maybe they look like high salaries for teachers who have high earning spouses but not for many of us. The benefits are great but I can’t pay my bills with them.

The benefits mean you don't have as many bills, and you don't have to save as much for retirement. It is real money.

But yes if your goal is to make a high salary, don't go into teaching and don't go into government. There are always going to be people with less experience who make more money than you do. It doesn't mean your salary is "low".

How many days of vacation does your DS get? Is he off all summer, two weeks at Christmas, a week in spring, etc? Teachers work part-time.

Wow. You’re actually the stupidest person to ever post on DCUM. Congratulations! Teachers have a contract. They work within those contracted hours. Just like other contract employees. No one works part time. They work within a contract. How is it 2021 and people are still out here spewing such ignorant and uneducated remarks?

Exactly. I’m a government contracted and I have weeks off at a time based on my contract agreement. I don’t work year round. No one has ever accused me of working part time. Seriously, the ignorance around teachers is asinine.