Are these H St. NE / Capitol Hill houses priced appropriately?

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Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.
Anonymous
Love love love Walter and that cute house. The cuteness of that street should add at least 50k to the base price of the house.
Anonymous
Someone posted this one to a new thread but I had to post it here as well, because OMG that price:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/320-13th-St-NE-20002/home/9910781
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.


Just measured my townhouse after reading this because I didn't even realize there were variations. What's average for a Capitol Hill rowhouse? Mine is 17 ft (on the inside from wall to wall). . . . . which seems on the wider side. Are different styles different widths (Victorian, federal, etc.)? Any info/articles on this would be useful!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Someone posted this one to a new thread but I had to post it here as well, because OMG that price:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/320-13th-St-NE-20002/home/9910781


Yeah, that price is outrageous. Seriously nutso.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Someone posted this one to a new thread but I had to post it here as well, because OMG that price:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/320-13th-St-NE-20002/home/9910781


Yeah, that price is outrageous. Seriously nutso.


It is a huge house, but I can't even with the price. I do like the idea of some realtor explaining that $2.3mill is okay because it's "inbound for Maury."

(And I love Maury! But come on.)
Anonymous
Is the garage considered one of the bedrooms?
Anonymous
Another beauty. 2br/2.5 bath for $839k, a block from Eastern Market:
https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/606-Independence-Ave-SE-20003/home/9900013

I don't post many condos, because I know people here don't like them. But this could be a fun option for someone not concerned about staid ideas like "bedrooms should have walls and doors." A lofty 3br/2ba for $825k:
https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/440-12th-St-NE-20002/unit-203/home/21647721
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Someone posted this one to a new thread but I had to post it here as well, because OMG that price:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/320-13th-St-NE-20002/home/9910781


Yeah, that price is outrageous. Seriously nutso.


I mean, maybe if it was a corner lot.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


This website is incredibly onerous to use, but if you were super committed to finding out this answer, you can access official survey records through DCRA.

https://dcraonline-rms.dcra.dc.gov/SurDocsPublic/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.


Just measured my townhouse after reading this because I didn't even realize there were variations. What's average for a Capitol Hill rowhouse? Mine is 17 ft (on the inside from wall to wall). . . . . which seems on the wider side. Are different styles different widths (Victorian, federal, etc.)? Any info/articles on this would be useful!
m

I am curious too! I see houses that look like they have exactly the same plan as ours, but ours is the only one on the block. I’m not sure if people built houses one by one or in groups. Ours is at the end of the block so it seems like it may have just been squeezed into some available space. The Victorians seem to be the narrowest.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.


Just measured my townhouse after reading this because I didn't even realize there were variations. What's average for a Capitol Hill rowhouse? Mine is 17 ft (on the inside from wall to wall). . . . . which seems on the wider side. Are different styles different widths (Victorian, federal, etc.)? Any info/articles on this would be useful!
m

I am curious too! I see houses that look like they have exactly the same plan as ours, but ours is the only one on the block. I’m not sure if people built houses one by one or in groups. Ours is at the end of the block so it seems like it may have just been squeezed into some available space. The Victorians seem to be the narrowest.


Houses were generally built in rows, several at a time. Think of it as the cookie cutter suburban development of the Victorian era. The Capitol Hill Restoration Society has some interesting guides on the history of the neighborhood. Here's one on building styles: https://chrs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/04_CHRS_BldgStyles.pdf

You can also find hints about house histories in the architects and ward guides on the DC Office of Planning website: https://planning.dc.gov/page/dc-history
Anonymous
One more resource. Can you tell I am obsessed with DC architecture? The minor streets used to be alleys, so you'll find info in the DC Historic Alley Buildings Survey that applies to the small rowhouses.

https://www.nps.gov/shpo/downloads/DC-AlleySurvey2014.pdf

From page 29:

"Building Style and Characteristics
The 19th century alley dwelling is typically a two- story, two-bay-wide dwelling measuring approxi- mately 12’ x 30’. Alley dwellings were built on
low brick foundations (no basements) and were covered with flat roofs, historically covered in tin. Front elevations often featured decorative brick- work, such as corbelled cornices and jack-arched or segmentally arched brick lintels."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.


Just measured my townhouse after reading this because I didn't even realize there were variations. What's average for a Capitol Hill rowhouse? Mine is 17 ft (on the inside from wall to wall). . . . . which seems on the wider side. Are different styles different widths (Victorian, federal, etc.)? Any info/articles on this would be useful!
m

I am curious too! I see houses that look like they have exactly the same plan as ours, but ours is the only one on the block. I’m not sure if people built houses one by one or in groups. Ours is at the end of the block so it seems like it may have just been squeezed into some available space. The Victorians seem to be the narrowest.


You will definitely see some variation by style, as.well as within blocks because they were trying to fit the available length of the street. The width is measured on the survey plat from the middle of the adjoining walls, so the interior width will always be a little less. The 1910s and 1920s Wardman-style houses that were built later tend to be a bit wider on average, but those tend to be a bit newer than most houses on the Hill (many are near H Street, Columbia Heights, Mt. Pleasant, and Petworth). 19-20 feet is pretty common in that era, which would previously only be found in the largest Victorians. Once you get into the '30s and '40s, attached houses tend to get a little narrower again (and the ceilings lower), probably because upper middle income buyers started moving to detached-home neighborhoods in Upper NW and NE.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:3br/2ba for $830k on a cute half-block street near Lincoln Park:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/1225-Walter-St-SE-20003/home/9911690


I like this one! Lots of outdoor space and that location is terrific. I’ve heard good things about Payne, too.

Layout is a little weird but I kind of like it. The kitchen is really nice and I don’t mind the weird location of the dining room.

It isn’t staged so I’m guessing current owners just don’t have kids. But it feels like a good time to show a house with two home offices

I think this will go for over asking.

Does anyone know how to find out how wide this place is? It seems really narrow to me.


Most likely it’s 12’ wide. Maybe 14-16’, but 12’ is standard for this style in this neighborhood.


yep. we have one of the narrower row houses, and it’s 11 ft.


Just measured my townhouse after reading this because I didn't even realize there were variations. What's average for a Capitol Hill rowhouse? Mine is 17 ft (on the inside from wall to wall). . . . . which seems on the wider side. Are different styles different widths (Victorian, federal, etc.)? Any info/articles on this would be useful!
m

I am curious too! I see houses that look like they have exactly the same plan as ours, but ours is the only one on the block. I’m not sure if people built houses one by one or in groups. Ours is at the end of the block so it seems like it may have just been squeezed into some available space. The Victorians seem to be the narrowest.


You will definitely see some variation by style, as.well as within blocks because they were trying to fit the available length of the street. The width is measured on the survey plat from the middle of the adjoining walls, so the interior width will always be a little less. The 1910s and 1920s Wardman-style houses that were built later tend to be a bit wider on average, but those tend to be a bit newer than most houses on the Hill (many are near H Street, Columbia Heights, Mt. Pleasant, and Petworth). 19-20 feet is pretty common in that era, which would previously only be found in the largest Victorians. Once you get into the '30s and '40s, attached houses tend to get a little narrower again (and the ceilings lower), probably because upper middle income buyers started moving to detached-home neighborhoods in Upper NW and NE.


This is great info and very cool. Is there a good source you have found to read up on architecture in the neighborhood? I'm in one of the Wardmans.
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