The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, not a troll. And an example of when I might have spoken in the past but did not recently. I ordered curbside pick up from a local smoothie shop a few weeks ago, before we were in phase 1 opening, the restaurant was advertising curbside Pick-up. I ordered my smoothie online, however, When I drove to the shop to pick it up there are a line of people inside the store to order and a line waiting (Inside as well) at the counter to pick up their smoothies. A year ago if this happened, pre-Karen meme, I would have said something along the lines of aren’t we supposed to be doing curbside? Why is everybody in the store? This time I just walked away.

You are absolutely right that the Karen meme has devolved into an attempt to shut white women up. Now that you know, you don't need to be intimidated by it, or second-guess yourself. Instead of "Am I being a Karen?" ask yourself "Would a man make this request, and would he get what he's asking for? Would he be placed in the position to have to ask at all?" And if you want to take into account the recriminations of all those loving on the Karen meme, you can also ask yourself "bottom line: is the outcome worth my upset? Is the person across from me being a total jerk or just a total idiot? Should I back off rather than make them feel like crap, or are they taking advantage of me right now? Regardless, is it worth it?"

As far as the smoothies go, I would have walked away because COVID, not because meme. Businesses should adapt, and they should limit the online purchases or give a window of time to show up, or put a banner at the top of their page that there will be a wait. But because COVID, everything is harder, and ultimately they can get away with more BS, and you can't quite call them out on anything anymore.

Bringing up the fact that black women on this forum like to attack white women calling them Karens and telling them to shut up more is just giving some posters on this forum more opportunities to be awful to you and say more slurs about white women.

Maybe at least it brings up race relations among women. In the workplace in the DC area, it can be bad. I've seen many situations where black women would rather support a white man than a white woman, and would give any amount of power to a white man if it takes it away from a white woman (I wrote this thinking of workplace dynamics not presidential elections. I know black women voted Hillary). Bottom line is that as it turns out, this is not the time for feminism. We have to be allies to people of color, but it is not the time to expect women of color to be allies of white women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The Karen meme silences White women"

Does it?

I know a lot of White women who are rarely silent, me included. So: no.

And black women are so quiet too.

The title of this thread is "The Karen meme silences White women". Let's stay on topic.

Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn’t fit the narrative: black people perfect, white people racist and bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was SILENCED at the Smoothie King! Now the world will not hear my voice!

I know, right? People are out here dying and she's upset that people didn't follow the proper curbside procedures at the Smoothie King.

The reason for the curbside procedures is to prevent people from getting COVID and ... dying.

So, I'm curious: The OP describes the scene in the store and said that she WALKED away. If her concern was about following curbside procedures, why didn't she stay in her car and call the store to let them know that she was there to pick up her curbside order? First, since she didn't mention doing that, she doesn't know if they would have complied. Second, why was she walking around and walking inside the store? By doing this, she became a part of the very behavior that she's complaining about.

[Anonymous]

Well, as an American, I find our culture to be individualistic, aggressive, rude and bordering on chaotic. My defense mechanism for this is to foster relationships with close family and friends and be very gaurded with virtually everyone else. Typically this involves not talking very much, being polite and ignoring bad behavior. The downside of this is I can come off as unfriendly. The upshot is I never have any problems with strangers.

It's not worth it to me to risk an altercation for reporting someone at a store. I don't work there. I'm not a security guard. They can install more cameras or hire more security if they care. If they don't want to do that, there is no reason for me to play cop for them.
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You are right. There are things worth fighting for. Taking a risk for. TJs is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a white middle aged woman. Due to the Karen meme I feel like I lost my voice. When there is an injustice, I will hesitate to speak up. Don’t get me wrong, there are certainly a subset of entitled middle aged white women, however, there are other non entitled white women as well who now feel silenced after fighting to find our voice.

Hey Op. I’m a middle aged white woman. F it. I’ve lived long enough to have a voice. Stupid Karen memes won’t silence me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Well, as an American, I find our culture to be individualistic, aggressive, rude and bordering on chaotic. My defense mechanism for this is to foster relationships with close family and friends and be very gaurded with virtually everyone else. Typically this involves not talking very much, being polite and ignoring bad behavior. The downside of this is I can come off as unfriendly. The upshot is I never have any problems with strangers.

It's not worth it to me to risk an altercation for reporting someone at a store. I don't work there. I'm not a security guard. They can install more cameras or hire more security if they care. If they don't want to do that, there is no reason for me to play cop for them.
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You are right. There are things worth fighting for. Taking a risk for. TJs is not one of them.

Dude that's not your defense mechanism for it, it's your expression of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was SILENCED at the Smoothie King! Now the world will not hear my voice!

I know, right? People are out here dying and she's upset that people didn't follow the proper curbside procedures at the Smoothie King.

The reason for the curbside procedures is to prevent people from getting COVID and ... dying.

So, I'm curious: The OP describes the scene in the store and said that she WALKED away. If her concern was about following curbside procedures, why didn't she stay in her car and call the store to let them know that she was there to pick up her curbside order? First, since she didn't mention doing that, she doesn't know if they would have complied. Second, why was she walking around and walking inside the store? By doing this, she became a part of the very behavior that she's complaining about.

Exactly! I think maybe the issue is people being afraid of being called Karen are more likely to be super demanding/unreasonable in their requests. I’m not afraid of being called Karen because I do t do Karen-ish things. If someone called me a Karen for doing something reasonable in a polite way it wouldn’t be a big deal because I would it wasn’t accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The Karen meme silences White women"

Does it?

I know a lot of White women who are rarely silent, me included. So: no.

And black women are so quiet too.

The title of this thread is "The Karen meme silences White women". Let's stay on topic.

Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn’t fit the narrative: black people perfect, white people racist and bad.

Perfect Karen response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The Karen meme silences White women"

Does it?

I know a lot of White women who are rarely silent, me included. So: no.

And black women are so quiet too.

The title of this thread is "The Karen meme silences White women". Let's stay on topic.

Oh sorry, I forgot. It doesn’t fit the narrative: black people perfect, white people racist and bad.

Perfect Karen response.

It really is, isn't it? Damn you, Poe's Law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah no. I reported a black lady for stealing from trader joes last week. She was shoving things into her bag and I asked he if she was going to pay for that. She started yelling and filming. Trader joes intervened and called the police. When someone is doing something wrong I don’t care what color you are, I’m speaking up. [/quote

Maybe ask yourself why it was important to describe the woman as "black". Would it have been somehow less informative -- or maybe less satisfying -- if you had said: "I reported a lady for stealing...."? What did this detail add for you? You then follow this with: "...I don't care what color you are...." -- which makes it even more noteworthy that you would go out of your way to describe this woman's color. I thought you didn't "care"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Exhibit B
Karen is a neighbor
https://www.tiktok.com/@apeypool/video/6808952530995858694

Not a Karen just a crazy b*tch

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White women don’t deserve to have a voice.

Say what????? Do white men? You are a royal jerk, pp.

they are trolling you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.