How Technical are the Girls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Holy Smokes. You’re basing your entire argument based upon one game in in age group?

This is like basing an argument that a university is great because of one student’s grade, IQ, etc.

Not one game but a growing trend an investment into the women’s game in Europe which is beginning to surpass our own investment. Remember, the parents invest in the game here. Major Pro clubs are investing in the game in Europe.

We have fallen woefully behind in the men’s game because our pay to play cannot compete with the Academy investment in the youth game in Europe. From our selection, to coaching to finding proper competitive balance in Europe we are behind. Having that model take hold on the women’s side should yield similar results.

Our continued chasing of leagues, patches, pay to play which keeps more kids out of the game than the attraction of other sports through HS that are “free” will be our stumbling block.

In that one game, Barca looked like a team that has been professionally coached with players selected that fit the needs of the system without regard for ability to pay.

The PDA team looked like a team coached by a part time coach who selected kids from a pool who’s parents can afford to play.

How do you propose this be fixed? How do you eliminate pay for play at the highest level? Corporate sponsorship like in Europe? I’d love to hear a solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Holy Smokes. You’re basing your entire argument based upon one game in in age group?

This is like basing an argument that a university is great because of one student’s grade, IQ, etc.

Not one game but a growing trend an investment into the women’s game in Europe which is beginning to surpass our own investment. Remember, the parents invest in the game here. Major Pro clubs are investing in the game in Europe.

We have fallen woefully behind in the men’s game because our pay to play cannot compete with the Academy investment in the youth game in Europe. From our selection, to coaching to finding proper competitive balance in Europe we are behind. Having that model take hold on the women’s side should yield similar results.

Our continued chasing of leagues, patches, pay to play which keeps more kids out of the game than the attraction of other sports through HS that are “free” will be our stumbling block.

In that one game, Barca looked like a team that has been professionally coached with players selected that fit the needs of the system without regard for ability to pay.

The PDA team looked like a team coached by a part time coach who selected kids from a pool who’s parents can afford to play.

How do you propose this be fixed? How do you eliminate pay for play at the highest level? Corporate sponsorship like in Europe? I’d love to hear a solution.

The problem is, I don’t think we will fix the problem. We will always remain competitive so you just won’t have the commitment to really change anything. And most people are more interested in their kids playing in college than they are concerned about the state of the national game.

And frankly there is nothing wrong with that. Our kids get to enjoy the game a lot longer but the price will be International dominance. That is probably a fine balance but it still should be acknowledged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Holy Smokes. You’re basing your entire argument based upon one game in in age group?

This is like basing an argument that a university is great because of one student’s grade, IQ, etc.

Not one game but a growing trend an investment into the women’s game in Europe which is beginning to surpass our own investment. Remember, the parents invest in the game here. Major Pro clubs are investing in the game in Europe.

We have fallen woefully behind in the men’s game because our pay to play cannot compete with the Academy investment in the youth game in Europe. From our selection, to coaching to finding proper competitive balance in Europe we are behind. Having that model take hold on the women’s side should yield similar results.

Our continued chasing of leagues, patches, pay to play which keeps more kids out of the game than the attraction of other sports through HS that are “free” will be our stumbling block.

In that one game, Barca looked like a team that has been professionally coached with players selected that fit the needs of the system without regard for ability to pay.

The PDA team looked like a team coached by a part time coach who selected kids from a pool who’s parents can afford to play.

How do you propose this be fixed? How do you eliminate pay for play at the highest level? Corporate sponsorship like in Europe? I’d love to hear a solution.

The problem is, I don’t think we will fix the problem. We will always remain competitive so you just won’t have the commitment to really change anything. And most people are more interested in their kids playing in college than they are concerned about the state of the national game.

And frankly there is nothing wrong with that. Our kids get to enjoy the game a lot longer but the price will be International dominance. That is probably a fine balance but it still should be acknowledged.

What would the fix be? MLS clubs all have girls teams that are fully funded and ecnl/ga programs provide services for free?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Holy Smokes. You’re basing your entire argument based upon one game in in age group?

This is like basing an argument that a university is great because of one student’s grade, IQ, etc.

Not one game but a growing trend an investment into the women’s game in Europe which is beginning to surpass our own investment. Remember, the parents invest in the game here. Major Pro clubs are investing in the game in Europe.

We have fallen woefully behind in the men’s game because our pay to play cannot compete with the Academy investment in the youth game in Europe. From our selection, to coaching to finding proper competitive balance in Europe we are behind. Having that model take hold on the women’s side should yield similar results.

Our continued chasing of leagues, patches, pay to play which keeps more kids out of the game than the attraction of other sports through HS that are “free” will be our stumbling block.

In that one game, Barca looked like a team that has been professionally coached with players selected that fit the needs of the system without regard for ability to pay.

The PDA team looked like a team coached by a part time coach who selected kids from a pool who’s parents can afford to play.

How do you propose this be fixed? How do you eliminate pay for play at the highest level? Corporate sponsorship like in Europe? I’d love to hear a solution.

The problem is, I don’t think we will fix the problem. We will always remain competitive so you just won’t have the commitment to really change anything. And most people are more interested in their kids playing in college than they are concerned about the state of the national game.

And frankly there is nothing wrong with that. Our kids get to enjoy the game a lot longer but the price will be International dominance. That is probably a fine balance but it still should be acknowledged.

What would the fix be? MLS clubs all have girls teams that are fully funded and ecnl/ga programs provide services for free?

I honestly don't think we can fix it based on modeling Europe. We can do things "our" way but we need a more cultural identity and attachment to the game first. That may simply never happen. We have a lot of kids playing and a lot of different competitive avenues for kids to play. Our only real problem is we are just pretty crappy at developing youth.

Our first coaches are our parents and we still have so many parents who never played the game competitively that it is hard for kids to really develop technically before they even enter a youth program. Barca, even at their youngest ages do not look to develop the technical side as we understand it. It is expected that a player is technical before they even show up.

[Anonymous]

So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

Yes, that is a pretty fair analysis based on the examples presented. I might also add that our stubborn entrenchment to our National Team's success as some form of barometer of how our youth players should be developed. When you have people mock La Masia with infantile nicknames like La Fabracia to then be hailed as "post of the month" shows how entrenched we are in our outlook and self awareness.

Train the kids the right way to play the game and let the National Team do what they need to do to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

I don't think people have come to your "consensus" that girls aren't very technical. One game doesn't substantiate a conclusion and as another poster pointed out, American teams dominated other European teams.

This dead horse argument just keeps on riding, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

I don't think people have come to your "consensus" that girls aren't very technical. One game doesn't substantiate a conclusion and as another poster pointed out, American teams dominated other European teams.

This dead horse argument just keeps on riding, doesn't it?

They may be technical but they certainly were not very tactical. The style they did attempt to play and did play throughout the tournament, all games on YouTube, did not demonstrate a style that demanded a particularly high level of technical ability. The inability to recognize that is demonstrative of our cultural understanding of the game.

If they were better trained they would have been better able to adapt in game as necessary.

Keep in mind, the head coach's best idea at kickoff was to kick the ball DEEP into Barca territory, presumably because he felt they could rattle Barca. Or, even worse, he kicked off deep because he saw them play throughout the tournament and knew there was no way his team could maintain possession so better to run at them and hope they get rattled and make a mistake.

So which would prefer? The coach was so naive that he honestly believed that Barca is inept at playing out of the back OR he lacked the confidence that his team was capable of maintaining possession so get the ball deep and hope to pen Barca in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

Yes, that is a pretty fair analysis based on the examples presented. I might also add that our stubborn entrenchment to our National Team's success as some form of barometer of how our youth players should be developed. When you have people mock La Masia with infantile nicknames like La Fabracia to then be hailed as "post of the month" shows how entrenched we are in our outlook and self awareness.

Train the kids the right way to play the game and let the National Team do what they need to do to win.

Lmfao gosh you’re an imbecile. It’s not mocking, you ignoramus. La Fabrica is the name for the academy of the best club in the world. That is Real Madrid Club de Fútbol. I got praised because they know what’s up. You? You show how entrenched you (and a vast majority of Americans) are in your lack of knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

I don't think people have come to your "consensus" that girls aren't very technical. One game doesn't substantiate a conclusion and as another poster pointed out, American teams dominated other European teams.

This dead horse argument just keeps on riding, doesn't it?

They may be technical but they certainly were not very tactical. The style they did attempt to play and did play throughout the tournament, all games on YouTube, did not demonstrate a style that demanded a particularly high level of technical ability. The inability to recognize that is demonstrative of our cultural understanding of the game.

If they were better trained they would have been better able to adapt in game as necessary.

Keep in mind, the head coach's best idea at kickoff was to kick the ball DEEP into Barca territory, presumably because he felt they could rattle Barca. Or, even worse, he kicked off deep because he saw them play throughout the tournament and knew there was no way his team could maintain possession so better to run at them and hope they get rattled and make a mistake.

So which would prefer? The coach was so naive that he honestly believed that Barca is inept at playing out of the back OR he lacked the confidence that his team was capable of maintaining possession so get the ball deep and hope to pen Barca in?

The PDA coach was so afraid to losing the ball in the pda end that he instructed them to kick it long off the kick? Maybe that’s a play they run against everyone and it might work. Are you a coach or a parent? I feel sorry for anyone that interacts with you in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the original question that was posed in this thread was, how technical are the girls?

The thread has now diverged into a discussion of the future prospects of the women's national team. Although the two might be related to an extent, it appears that even those commenters who are confident that the women's national team will remain an international force for decades to come have recognized that the girls aren't very technical. And the video evidence from that entire tournament--not just the PDA vs Barca final--would substantiate that conclusion.

When elite girls teams can win at the highest levels without playing technical soccer, there is very little pressure on American coaches and clubs to implement the type of intense technical training that would be necessary to change things up. Because "winning" at youth levels is prioritized over technical development.

I don't think people have come to your "consensus" that girls aren't very technical. One game doesn't substantiate a conclusion and as another poster pointed out, American teams dominated other European teams.

This dead horse argument just keeps on riding, doesn't it?

They may be technical but they certainly were not very tactical. The style they did attempt to play and did play throughout the tournament, all games on YouTube, did not demonstrate a style that demanded a particularly high level of technical ability. The inability to recognize that is demonstrative of our cultural understanding of the game.

If they were better trained they would have been better able to adapt in game as necessary.

Keep in mind, the head coach's best idea at kickoff was to kick the ball DEEP into Barca territory, presumably because he felt they could rattle Barca. Or, even worse, he kicked off deep because he saw them play throughout the tournament and knew there was no way his team could maintain possession so better to run at them and hope they get rattled and make a mistake.

So which would prefer? The coach was so naive that he honestly believed that Barca is inept at playing out of the back OR he lacked the confidence that his team was capable of maintaining possession so get the ball deep and hope to pen Barca in?

The PDA coach was so afraid to losing the ball in the pda end that he instructed them to kick it long off the kick? Maybe that’s a play they run against everyone and it might work. Are you a coach or a parent? I feel sorry for anyone that interacts with you in person.

So he was so naive that he thought a set kickoff play would work against a team that plays out of the back like a religion. Ok. Go with that then.

How did it work out? Because I believe the next time they saw the ball again it was when they had to kick off after being scored against.

[Anonymous]

Lol. One game. Smh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol. One game. Smh.

I saw nothing in that one game that indicated the result would be different if they played again in two days. Barca was the better team by far. But that is how sports are, you get one game sometimes to make the most of it. I know they are young but they looked severely outplayed in that one game.

So keep shaking your head I guess. PDA lost, lost bad and that is likely all their coach could do too, shake his head wondering what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. One game. Smh.

I saw nothing in that one game that indicated the result would be different if they played again in two days. Barca was the better team by far. But that is how sports are, you get one game sometimes to make the most of it. I know they are young but they looked severely outplayed in that one game.

So keep shaking your head I guess. PDA lost, lost bad and that is likely all their coach could do too, shake his head wondering what happened.

Seriously, what’s your deep fascination with PDA? It’s becoming very creepy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. One game. Smh.

I saw nothing in that one game that indicated the result would be different if they played again in two days. Barca was the better team by far. But that is how sports are, you get one game sometimes to make the most of it. I know they are young but they looked severely outplayed in that one game.

So keep shaking your head I guess. PDA lost, lost bad and that is likely all their coach could do too, shake his head wondering what happened.

Seriously, what’s your deep fascination with PDA? It’s becoming very creepy.

You keep bringin it up. They lost, you keep wanting to defend the loss. The game is simply used as a qualifier of the best representation of their respective countries playing style. The description of PDA's success is to state unequivocally that they are truly one of our best youth teams full stop. Just because you can't get past the "its one game" trope and look at the GAME and how the two different styles matched up against each other. Forget the clubs, forget the countries. Watch the game without the filter of PDA or Barca.

What team was more pleasing to watch? That is all the point is. Stop being so butt hurt about WHO lost or WHO won. You are defending a point that nobody is trying to make.