Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:I don't pay attention to symbols on my box of tampons - so its absurd to be "outraged" about something I wasn't even aware of. This is kind of dumb altogether -- who cares?

I DO think tampons, pads, and menstrual cups should free or at least heavily subsidized. It's kind of unfair that 50% of the population has to shell out some $$$ for something that's inherent in our DNA no matter what we do or don't do.

This is dumb. Toilet paper isn't free and it's a universal necessity.

Tsss. Next liberals will be demanding free toilet paper.

Free food should be the #1 priority. Without it, no one needs toilet paper.

Free fruits and vegetables ... meat is not a necessity.

Isn't it already free if you grow it in your garden by yourself?

Well now it’s clear what level of intelligence you possess. But I am all for DC to stop planting stupid cherry trees that look half decent for a week if we’re lucky and start planning apples pears lemon lime trees instead

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't pay attention to symbols on my box of tampons - so its absurd to be "outraged" about something I wasn't even aware of. This is kind of dumb altogether -- who cares?

I DO think tampons, pads, and menstrual cups should free or at least heavily subsidized. It's kind of unfair that 50% of the population has to shell out some $$$ for something that's inherent in our DNA no matter what we do or don't do.

This is dumb. Toilet paper isn't free and it's a universal necessity.

Tsss. Next liberals will be demanding free toilet paper.

Free food should be the #1 priority. Without it, no one needs toilet paper.

Free fruits and vegetables ... meat is not a necessity.

Isn't it already free if you grow it in your garden by yourself?

Only if you somehow manage to acquire a garden without paying rent or a mortgage.

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Transmen who argue they aren't female, and thus the female symbol does not apply to them and should be removed from feminine hygiene products they require.
Transwomen who argue they aren't male, and thus can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

Naw, that's not scientific facts. That's your opinion. Which you're entitled to have.

Lol. Science deniers

Also no. Here, I'll help you out.

Scientific fact: typically, humans who are female have two X chromosomes.
Not a scientific fact: it's not fair for transwomen to compete in sex-segregated sports with ciswomen.

Science denial: transwomen aren't male.

Result of that science denial: if transwomen aren't male, then they can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

If that science denial didn't hold sway, we would be protecting sex segregated opportunities for females, while also working to find a way to support competitive sports participation for all. Instead, biological men are doing what biological men always do "me me me" without a thought to anyone else, including the historical oppression of female bodied people that they continue to participate in.

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It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Motherhood isn't a general experience.

But if you nonetheless want to talk about motherhood as a general experience, you may do so.

Right, so your agenda is to silence the experience of a historically disadvantaged minority (mothers). Got it.

My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

If you require 100% of a group to experience something in order for it to be a general experience, there is no general experience for anyone - there is no general experience of blackness, womenness, being physically disadvantaged, being impoverished...

If you need to destroy language and our experiences in order to defend a point, maybe you need to rethink your point.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

How is not wanting a biological male to compete against a biological female propaganda?

Why don’t you head over to Shirlington and ask them yourself?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/us/politics/kentucky-transgender-school-sports.html

Bathroom fearmongering didn’t work so now you’re trying sports. Got it.

Im not pp but im super over you denying women their ability to discuss a movement specifically aimed at erasing the language of their identity by conflating that concern with bigots who are worried about bathrooms.

I forvone don’t understand why things are labeled by gender .

They're differentiated by sex. Often for good reason.

Males and females have different anatomy. You are much more likely to see urinals in a male restroom than a female restroom. If both restrooms were designed in exactly the same way, it would either unnecessary limit the number of males who could use them. My limited observation is that restrooms for males typically contain more urinals and fewer toilets, and if they could only have toilets that same space could not hold the same number of toilets as toilets + urinals. Females are not typically prepared to use urinals, and wasting space on them in a restroom for females would be at the cost of a toilet that female bodied people could use.

We could ignore this, and pretend that male and female bodies are the same, which appears to be the direction society is going currently now. Science denial is popular.

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My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

If you require 100% of a group to experience something in order for it to be a general experience, there is no general experience for anyone - there is no general experience of blackness, womenness, being physically disadvantaged, being impoverished...

If you need to destroy language and our experiences in order to defend a point, maybe you need to rethink your point.

If you can't acknowledge that there are lots of women whose experience of being a woman doesn't include being a mother, maybe you need to rethink whom you claim to be speaking for.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't pay attention to symbols on my box of tampons - so its absurd to be "outraged" about something I wasn't even aware of. This is kind of dumb altogether -- who cares?

I DO think tampons, pads, and menstrual cups should free or at least heavily subsidized. It's kind of unfair that 50% of the population has to shell out some $$$ for something that's inherent in our DNA no matter what we do or don't do.

This is dumb. Toilet paper isn't free and it's a universal necessity.

Tsss. Next liberals will be demanding free toilet paper.

Free food should be the #1 priority. Without it, no one needs toilet paper.

Free fruits and vegetables ... meat is not a necessity.

Isn't it already free if you grow it in your garden by yourself?

Only if you somehow manage to acquire a garden without paying rent or a mortgage.

Even if you have land it’s not free. Ask a farmer.

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

You've never faced the realities of being born capable of bearing children? Never dealt with periods, birth control, disappointment from being infertile, relief at being infertile, cramps, ovarian cysts etc etc etc? Really?

I would think it equally true and uncontroversial that dealing with the realities of having a penls is part of the experience of being biologically male.

And if you fortunately have not had to think about or deal with that at any point as a woman than perhaps you should crack open a history book because it has been an incredibly large part of the historical experience of women and advocacy for women's rights.

Stop, please. Different people (including different women) have different experiences, different priorities, different outlooks, different philosophies. Reducing ALL women to basic biology is...well, I think it's a waste of time, but of course it's your time to waste if that's what you want to do.

If I'm going to be reduced to something, my biology makes a whole lot more sense than my hobbies or how I dress. I'd rather it be understood that my biology has been used to oppress and control me, and the generations of women before me, and probably, unfortunately, the generations of women coming after me, than that a woman's identity is that of someone who likes pink and pretty clothes. No one asks my identity before assaulting me, before controlling reproductive rights, before sexualizing my as I entered puberty.

I can control what I wear, what activities I engage in. I can be more or less feminine. I cannot be more or less female (or human, or mammal).

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

How is not wanting a biological male to compete against a biological female propaganda?

Why don’t you head over to Shirlington and ask them yourself?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/us/politics/kentucky-transgender-school-sports.html

Bathroom fearmongering didn’t work so now you’re trying sports. Got it.

Im not pp but im super over you denying women their ability to discuss a movement specifically aimed at erasing the language of their identity by conflating that concern with bigots who are worried about bathrooms.

I forvone don’t understand why things are labeled by gender .

They're differentiated by sex. Often for good reason.

Males and females have different anatomy. You are much more likely to see urinals in a male restroom than a female restroom. If both restrooms were designed in exactly the same way, it would either unnecessary limit the number of males who could use them. My limited observation is that restrooms for males typically contain more urinals and fewer toilets, and if they could only have toilets that same space could not hold the same number of toilets as toilets + urinals. Females are not typically prepared to use urinals, and wasting space on them in a restroom for females would be at the cost of a toilet that female bodied people could use.

We could ignore this, and pretend that male and female bodies are the same, which appears to be the direction society is going currently now. Science denial is popular.

And if tampons are not labeled for women you might not know they are for women you might think guys sticking them up the ars?

PS men’s bathrooms don’t have less stalks and their stalls work the same way stalls in women’s bathrooms work. Also having urinals don’t stop stalls from working for women.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

Eh, not quite.

Personally, my concern isn’t with right wing hysteria. Rather, it with a select few PC police making everything a crusade coupled with the cancel culture that wields far too much power.

Gentle tip: turning everything into Us vs Them//Liberal vs Conservative isn’t helpful; in fact, it’s quite dangerous. We’ve devolved to a place where bipartisan consensus no longer exists on the Hill or in the media (and certainly not in social media). IRL, I suspect many Dems feel like sometimes we go too far. Pelosi and liberal comedians are starting to call this nonsense out (thank goodness).

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

And yet, they changed the packaging. Because people gave a shit. They didn't consider who they were offending, because even though they market to women, they don't consider women's voices. They don't ask for women's voices. We've reached a point where someone protesting gets the floor, and gets the change, without even a consideration that those few voices may well be the minority. And when that minority (trans activists) is speaking over women, well, why would we start even thinking about women care about now?

Especially since we apparently don't even know what "women" means anymore. Turtles. I suspect it really means turtles, and since turtles don't buy feminine hygiene products, Always is perfectly reasonable for not considering what turtles might care about. Much better to only pay attention to what trans activists are screaming for.

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My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

If you require 100% of a group to experience something in order for it to be a general experience, there is no general experience for anyone - there is no general experience of blackness, womenness, being physically disadvantaged, being impoverished...

If you need to destroy language and our experiences in order to defend a point, maybe you need to rethink your point.

If you can't acknowledge that there are lots of women whose experience of being a woman doesn't include being a mother, maybe you need to rethink whom you claim to be speaking for.

15% is a minority of women. And of those 15%, I would bet a lot of them tried to have children, in which case case their engagement with the concept of motherhood (based on my friendships with women who have struggled with fertility) still exists. And when I was considering not having children, I still engaged with the idea of motherhood, and what that would mean, as a female bodied person. Not having children is not a simple decision, even now, for a woman, because of social expectations based on anatomy.

If you cannot acknowledge that our anatomy has something to do with a general experience of being a woman, then you're denying reality.

Not every black person has the same experiences, and yet only a fool would argue there's not a general experience of being black in our society. Same for being Jewish, or any other class. That shared experiences are not 100% shared does not prevent them from being powerful, sometimes even defining characteristics of that class.

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

And yet, they changed the packaging. Because people gave a shit. They didn't consider who they were offending, because even though they market to women, they don't consider women's voices. They don't ask for women's voices. We've reached a point where someone protesting gets the floor, and gets the change, without even a consideration that those few voices may well be the minority. And when that minority (trans activists) is speaking over women, well, why would we start even thinking about women care about now?

Especially since we apparently don't even know what "women" means anymore. Turtles. I suspect it really means turtles, and since turtles don't buy feminine hygiene products, Always is perfectly reasonable for not considering what turtles might care about. Much better to only pay attention to what trans activists are screaming for.

Maybe they did ask women and they happened to only ask women who aren’t bigots and said it’s totally fine to remove the Venus symbol and/or change colors.

Or maybe they don’t GAF about what the bigots think.

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

And yet, they changed the packaging. Because people gave a shit. They didn't consider who they were offending, because even though they market to women, they don't consider women's voices. They don't ask for women's voices. We've reached a point where someone protesting gets the floor, and gets the change, without even a consideration that those few voices may well be the minority. And when that minority (trans activists) is speaking over women, well, why would we start even thinking about women care about now?

Especially since we apparently don't even know what "women" means anymore. Turtles. I suspect it really means turtles, and since turtles don't buy feminine hygiene products, Always is perfectly reasonable for not considering what turtles might care about. Much better to only pay attention to what trans activists are screaming for.

Furthermore, anyone who even casually points out an issue or asks a question is at risk of being labeled transphobic. That’s cancel culture. And it’s dangerous.