Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

How is not wanting a biological male to compete against a biological female propaganda?

Why don’t you head over to Shirlington and ask them yourself?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/us/politics/kentucky-transgender-school-sports.html

Bathroom fearmongering didn’t work so now you’re trying sports. Got it.

Im not pp but im super over you denying women their ability to discuss a movement specifically aimed at erasing the language of their identity by conflating that concern with bigots who are worried about bathrooms.

I forvone don’t understand why things are labeled by gender .

They're differentiated by sex. Often for good reason.

Males and females have different anatomy. You are much more likely to see urinals in a male restroom than a female restroom. If both restrooms were designed in exactly the same way, it would either unnecessary limit the number of males who could use them. My limited observation is that restrooms for males typically contain more urinals and fewer toilets, and if they could only have toilets that same space could not hold the same number of toilets as toilets + urinals. Females are not typically prepared to use urinals, and wasting space on them in a restroom for females would be at the cost of a toilet that female bodied people could use.

We could ignore this, and pretend that male and female bodies are the same, which appears to be the direction society is going currently now. Science denial is popular.

And if tampons are not labeled for women you might not know they are for women you might think guys sticking them up the ars?

PS men’s bathrooms don’t have less stalks and their stalls work the same way stalls in women’s bathrooms work. Also having urinals don’t stop stalls from working for women.

Your argument makes no sense. If there are two bathrooms and no signs outside a bathroom, and I walk into one that contains that urinals, I am going to realize I'm in the wrong place and go into the other bathroom.

Labeling things means I'll be able to go to the grocery store when I want to the grocery store, because it has a sign out front. Otherwise, I'd have to walk into every store in the shopping center until I found the right one. It's not oppressive or discriminatory for the hair salon to let me know what it is before I enter it. It would also be bizarre for the hair salon to contain a produce section, since I don't need a produce section when I'm there to get my hair cut.

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

And yet, they changed the packaging. Because people gave a shit. They didn't consider who they were offending, because even though they market to women, they don't consider women's voices. They don't ask for women's voices. We've reached a point where someone protesting gets the floor, and gets the change, without even a consideration that those few voices may well be the minority. And when that minority (trans activists) is speaking over women, well, why would we start even thinking about women care about now?

Especially since we apparently don't even know what "women" means anymore. Turtles. I suspect it really means turtles, and since turtles don't buy feminine hygiene products, Always is perfectly reasonable for not considering what turtles might care about. Much better to only pay attention to what trans activists are screaming for.

Maybe they did ask women and they happened to only ask women who aren’t bigots and said it’s totally fine to remove the Venus symbol and/or change colors.

Or maybe they don’t GAF about what the bigots think.

Please provide me with evidence they asked women.

Being offended about erasure is not bigoted. Erasure is bigoted.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

Eh, not quite.

Personally, my concern isn’t with right wing hysteria. Rather, it with a select few PC police making everything a crusade coupled with the cancel culture that wields far too much power.

Gentle tip: turning everything into Us vs Them//Liberal vs Conservative isn’t helpful; in fact, it’s quite dangerous. We’ve devolved to a place where bipartisan consensus no longer exists on the Hill or in the media (and certainly not in social media). IRL, I suspect many Dems feel like sometimes we go too far. Pelosi and liberal comedians are starting to call this nonsense out (thank goodness).

Well when you use the same talking points as RWNJs it’s hard to see you as anything other than anti-trans.

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Please provide me with evidence they asked women.

Being offended about erasure is not bigoted. Erasure is bigoted.

If you feel erased because a company that sells menstrual products took the Venus symbol off their packaging, I don't know what to say.

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Furthermore, anyone who even casually points out an issue or asks a question is at risk of being labeled transphobic. That’s cancel culture. And it’s dangerous.

No, that's not cancel culture. That's you having an opinion, and other people having an opinion about your opinion.

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My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

If you require 100% of a group to experience something in order for it to be a general experience, there is no general experience for anyone - there is no general experience of blackness, womenness, being physically disadvantaged, being impoverished...

If you need to destroy language and our experiences in order to defend a point, maybe you need to rethink your point.

If you can't acknowledge that there are lots of women whose experience of being a woman doesn't include being a mother, maybe you need to rethink whom you claim to be speaking for.

15% is a minority of women. And of those 15%, I would bet a lot of them tried to have children, in which case case their engagement with the concept of motherhood (based on my friendships with women who have struggled with fertility) still exists. And when I was considering not having children, I still engaged with the idea of motherhood, and what that would mean, as a female bodied person. Not having children is not a simple decision, even now, for a woman, because of social expectations based on anatomy.

If you cannot acknowledge that our anatomy has something to do with a general experience of being a woman, then you're denying reality.

Not every black person has the same experiences, and yet only a fool would argue there's not a general experience of being black in our society. Same for being Jewish, or any other class. That shared experiences are not 100% shared does not prevent them from being powerful, sometimes even defining characteristics of that class.

There you are, digging your hole deeper.

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I really don’t care about the packaging. But why does it need to change for .6% of the population? That’s what I don’t get.

Regardless, I will continue to buy their package regardless of what is depicted on it.

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Your argument makes no sense. If there are two bathrooms and no signs outside a bathroom, and I walk into one that contains that urinals, I am going to realize I'm in the wrong place and go into the other bathroom.

Labeling things means I'll be able to go to the grocery store when I want to the grocery store, because it has a sign out front. Otherwise, I'd have to walk into every store in the shopping center until I found the right one. It's not oppressive or discriminatory for the hair salon to let me know what it is before I enter it. It would also be bizarre for the hair salon to contain a produce section, since I don't need a produce section when I'm there to get my hair cut.

What if they both have urinals? That happens. And it's not because the bathroom designers hate women.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

Eh, not quite.

Personally, my concern isn’t with right wing hysteria. Rather, it with a select few PC police making everything a crusade coupled with the cancel culture that wields far too much power.

Gentle tip: turning everything into Us vs Them//Liberal vs Conservative isn’t helpful; in fact, it’s quite dangerous. We’ve devolved to a place where bipartisan consensus no longer exists on the Hill or in the media (and certainly not in social media). IRL, I suspect many Dems feel like sometimes we go too far. Pelosi and liberal comedians are starting to call this nonsense out (thank goodness).

Well when you use the same talking points as RWNJs it’s hard to see you as anything other than anti-trans.

But I’m not. I value free speech and I’m concerned about what’s happening with overly PC crusades on non issues coupled with cancel culture. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr have calmed it out, and even Nancy Pelosi has cautioned Dems they need to be careful unless they want Trump to be re-elected.

I guess I’m a grown up so I can handle hearing views that differ from mine.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

Eh, not quite.

Personally, my concern isn’t with right wing hysteria. Rather, it with a select few PC police making everything a crusade coupled with the cancel culture that wields far too much power.

Gentle tip: turning everything into Us vs Them//Liberal vs Conservative isn’t helpful; in fact, it’s quite dangerous. We’ve devolved to a place where bipartisan consensus no longer exists on the Hill or in the media (and certainly not in social media). IRL, I suspect many Dems feel like sometimes we go too far. Pelosi and liberal comedians are starting to call this nonsense out (thank goodness).

Well when you use the same talking points as RWNJs it’s hard to see you as anything other than anti-trans.

But I’m not. I value free speech and I’m concerned about what’s happening with overly PC crusades on non issues coupled with cancel culture. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr have calmed it out, and even Nancy Pelosi has cautioned Dems they need to be careful unless they want Trump to be re-elected.
I guess I’m a grown up so I can handle hearing views that differ from mine.

This is it right here. I posted a comment earlier that got deleted but had the same gist. If you don’t embrace all of this PC stuff wholeheartedly you are transphobic or a racist or a bigot or whatever. There is no room for opinion or discussion.

I’m guessing this comment won’t stand either.

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But I’m not. I value free speech and I’m concerned about what’s happening with overly PC crusades on non issues coupled with cancel culture. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr have calmed it out, and even Nancy Pelosi has cautioned Dems they need to be careful unless they want Trump to be re-elected.
I guess I’m a grown up so I can handle hearing views that differ from mine.

This is it right here. I posted a comment earlier that got deleted but had the same gist. If you don’t embrace all of this PC stuff wholeheartedly you are transphobic or a racist or a bigot or whatever. There is no room for opinion or discussion.

I’m guessing this comment won’t stand either.

That's ok, though, because you're a grown-up, so you can handle hearing views that differ from yours. Right? Own your beliefs. It doesn't matter what people call you.

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

And yet, they changed the packaging. Because people gave a shit. They didn't consider who they were offending, because even though they market to women, they don't consider women's voices. They don't ask for women's voices. We've reached a point where someone protesting gets the floor, and gets the change, without even a consideration that those few voices may well be the minority. And when that minority (trans activists) is speaking over women, well, why would we start even thinking about women care about now?

Especially since we apparently don't even know what "women" means anymore. Turtles. I suspect it really means turtles, and since turtles don't buy feminine hygiene products, Always is perfectly reasonable for not considering what turtles might care about. Much better to only pay attention to what trans activists are screaming for.

Maybe they did ask women and they happened to only ask women who aren’t bigots and said it’s totally fine to remove the Venus symbol and/or change colors.

Or maybe they don’t GAF about what the bigots think.

Please provide me with evidence they asked women.

Being offended about erasure is not bigoted. Erasure is bigoted.

I don’t have evidence but I’m sure they did.

Just look at this thread. The vast majority of posters said they DGAF if it’s removed.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t care about the packaging. But why does it need to change for .6% of the population? That’s what I don’t get.

Regardless, I will continue to buy their package regardless of what is depicted on it.

This.

This goes back to a pp who noted she’s more irked by schools canceling Halloween—out of deference to a small percentage of people who don’t celebrate.

Setting the always packaging aside, I think the concern is what else will change to appease a tiny minority? And, is it overkill? Is it necessary? Appropriate?

Sometimes it’s truly NBD. Other times, maybe it is a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how people fall for this all right propaganda. They got the formula down create fear tell people their rights are being Taken away,create hysteria. Congratulations you fell for it.

Eh, not quite.

Personally, my concern isn’t with right wing hysteria. Rather, it with a select few PC police making everything a crusade coupled with the cancel culture that wields far too much power.

Gentle tip: turning everything into Us vs Them//Liberal vs Conservative isn’t helpful; in fact, it’s quite dangerous. We’ve devolved to a place where bipartisan consensus no longer exists on the Hill or in the media (and certainly not in social media). IRL, I suspect many Dems feel like sometimes we go too far. Pelosi and liberal comedians are starting to call this nonsense out (thank goodness).

Well when you use the same talking points as RWNJs it’s hard to see you as anything other than anti-trans.

But I’m not. I value free speech and I’m concerned about what’s happening with overly PC crusades on non issues coupled with cancel culture. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr have calmed it out, and even Nancy Pelosi has cautioned Dems they need to be careful unless they want Trump to be re-elected.

I guess I’m a grown up so I can handle hearing views that differ from mine.

Ok. Feel free to push RWNJ talking points if that’s your thing. Maybe your reasoning is different than theirs but you share the same message.

Personally, that’d make me reflect, but hey, you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t care about the packaging. But why does it need to change for .6% of the population? That’s what I don’t get.

Regardless, I will continue to buy their package regardless of what is depicted on it.

This.

This goes back to a pp who noted she’s more irked by schools canceling Halloween—out of deference to a small percentage of people who don’t celebrate.

Setting the always packaging aside, I think the concern is what else will change to appease a tiny minority? And, is it overkill? Is it necessary? Appropriate?

Sometimes it’s truly NBD. Other times, maybe it is a big deal.

The “concern” over a small packaging change reeks of RWNJ fearmongering.