Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

[Anonymous]

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It is a housing issue. It is ALSO a school issue.

Well, it goes like this.. One buys or rents a house they can afford. If the only places that have homes for the poor are at a handful of neighborhoods, then that's where most of the poor will go. If you want to stop this trend then build affordable housing for the poor in more neighborhoods. Why should children have to suffer long bus rides as a result of years of faulty housing policy?

Since your school is based on the location of your residence, it's also a school issue. Why should children have to suffer lack of opportunity in school as a result of years of housing policy?

Incidentally, describing it as 'faulty' housing policy is, well, faulty. The segregation was a feature, not a bug.

"lack of opportunity in school"?

Demonstrated by?

Lower performance? Then why not target the low performers instead of those live in a school zone with claimed "lack of opportunity"?

Demonstrated by lack of opportunity in the school.

Such as?

[Anonymous]

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Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

[Anonymous]

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Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

and ignoring the concept that they will be bringing their whole high performing neighborhood with them changing the school.

[Anonymous]

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Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

[Anonymous]

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Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

[Anonymous]

We are in the wootton cluster. I like my house and I am not moving anywhere. Pretty sure my kids will succeed in any school, so they will stay in public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

whoever's interested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

whoever's interested.

Ah. Well, people who are interested are presumably interested enough to look into these questions for themselves, rather than arguing about the factness of facts with anonymous people on the Internet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

whoever's interested.

Ah. Well, people who are interested are presumably interested enough to look into these questions for themselves, rather than arguing about the factness of facts with anonymous people on the Internet.

It doesn't matter. My statements are still valid - even if you have "looked into these questions for themselves", hearing one more answer is not going to hurt.
If the PP prefers not to answer, of course it is his/her own choice. And I never said without that answer, "we will not be able" to achieve any of those, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

whoever's interested.

Ah. Well, people who are interested are presumably interested enough to look into these questions for themselves, rather than arguing about the factness of facts with anonymous people on the Internet.

It doesn't matter. My statements are still valid - even if you have "looked into these questions for themselves", hearing one more answer is not going to hurt.
If the PP prefers not to answer, of course it is his/her own choice. And I never said without that answer, "we will not be able" to achieve any of those, right?

Most of these questions have already been answered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

and ignoring the concept that they will be bringing their whole high performing neighborhood with them changing the school.

It definitely is the same group saying these things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

Yes, this lack of opportunity is BS. There IS opportunity for high achieving kids in practically every high school. SVHS has an IB program. Rockville HS has IB. Gaithersburg HS has Signature Academies. I'm not buying this BS that only schools with low FARMS have opportunity. EVERY kid, rich or poor, with the motivation, guidance, and ambition can succeed in any school in this county, even the ones that are disproportionately poorer than other schools. I've seen it. Yes, I think boundaries need to be reviewed from time to time to make sure they still work and that demographics aren't skewed disproportionately towards one group and where we can make adjustments WITHIN adjacent school clusters, then yes we should. BUt we need to not be supporting 45 minute bus rides. And even if boundaries are adjusted, let's not kid ourselves in thinking that this is actually helping low performing students who don't have the support at home. Let's be honest and realize that all this is doing is raising the AVERAGE test scores at low performing schools so that MCPS can say, "see we fixed it!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

I am asking the pp to describe the "lack of opportunities" so that:
1. we can be sure whether these are real or just imaginations
2. We can find out whether the schools or the parents/kids themselves should be responsible for these.
3. We can better understand whether putting kids in different schools can help.

Who's "we"?

whoever's interested.

Ah. Well, people who are interested are presumably interested enough to look into these questions for themselves, rather than arguing about the factness of facts with anonymous people on the Internet.

It doesn't matter. My statements are still valid - even if you have "looked into these questions for themselves", hearing one more answer is not going to hurt.
If the PP prefers not to answer, of course it is his/her own choice. And I never said without that answer, "we will not be able" to achieve any of those, right?

Most of these questions have already been answered.

Do you want to be held responsible for what other people said? I certainly do not. Therefore I would not use other people's answer to address the PP unless he/she explicitly aknowleges that.

Now it looks like the PP simply does not want to answer the "such as" question. Then it is fine to say he/she claims that there is lack of opportunities for students in high poverty schools but not able to elaborate on what these (opportunities) are.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, this lack of opportunity is BS. There IS opportunity for high achieving kids in practically every high school. SVHS has an IB program. Rockville HS has IB. Gaithersburg HS has Signature Academies. I'm not buying this BS that only schools with low FARMS have opportunity. EVERY kid, rich or poor, with the motivation, guidance, and ambition can succeed in any school in this county, even the ones that are disproportionately poorer than other schools. I've seen it. Yes, I think boundaries need to be reviewed from time to time to make sure they still work and that demographics aren't skewed disproportionately towards one group and where we can make adjustments WITHIN adjacent school clusters, then yes we should. BUt we need to not be supporting 45 minute bus rides. And even if boundaries are adjusted, let's not kid ourselves in thinking that this is actually helping low performing students who don't have the support at home. Let's be honest and realize that all this is doing is raising the AVERAGE test scores at low performing schools so that MCPS can say, "see we fixed it!"

For example, between Northwest High School and Seneca Valley High School.

You know what else is depressing? DCUM people's willingness to write off poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Such as?

I sure hope that it's not the same people arguing, on the one hand, that the world will come to an end if they get rezoned for Seneca Valley High School, and, on the other hand, that a student at a high-poverty high school has exactly the same opportunities as a student at a low-poverty high school.

Yes, this lack of opportunity is BS. There IS opportunity for high achieving kids in practically every high school. SVHS has an IB program. Rockville HS has IB. Gaithersburg HS has Signature Academies. I'm not buying this BS that only schools with low FARMS have opportunity. EVERY kid, rich or poor, with the motivation, guidance, and ambition can succeed in any school in this county, even the ones that are disproportionately poorer than other schools. I've seen it. Yes, I think boundaries need to be reviewed from time to time to make sure they still work and that demographics aren't skewed disproportionately towards one group and where we can make adjustments WITHIN adjacent school clusters, then yes we should. BUt we need to not be supporting 45 minute bus rides. And even if boundaries are adjusted, let's not kid ourselves in thinking that this is actually helping low performing students who don't have the support at home. Let's be honest and realize that all this is doing is raising the AVERAGE test scores at low performing schools so that MCPS can say, "see we fixed it!"

bus routes aren't changing

It's all about closing the achievement gap rightly or wrongly that's what the goal of all of this is. To do that by having less high performing and low performing schools and you do that by tweaking boundaries to try and level out SES levels across attendance areas.