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Anonymous wrote:From one website trying to explain the plot holes, “The logistics of how Amma, Jodes, and Kelsey moved around the bodies or kept their mouths shut during the entire investigation is unclear...”

No sh*t. These girls didn’t drive. So they roller skated dead bodies around town or just call an Uber?

So how did Natalie’s body get placed in the middle of town, in the middle of the day by three 13 year old girls?

The skates weren’t surgically attached, first off. Second, who said the body was placed in the middle of the day? Three or four 13 year old girls could easily kill another girl, carry/drag her body behind a shed or into the woods to move to the alley at night. Via “borrowed” car, or a golf cart like Amma had in the book. Not everything needs to be spelled out.

It says so on one of the websites trying to explain all the plot holes.

Three girls could not easily move a dead body around town. That’s silly.

Three determined 13 year olds who no one even remotely would suspect of murder? Ha. When I was 13 my friend and I dragged several full sized Christmas trees from curbs in our neighborhood back to her yard after dark and propped them up as a prank. No one saw a thing. One small body would have been no problem, were we so inclined.

A Christmas tree is nothing like carrying dead weight. It's also not criminal and supposedly the Christmas tree wasn't bleeding profusely after having all its teeth pulled out.

So how did the explain how Adora moved these two bodies around town?

No one ever needed to explain Adora moving a body (one was dumped in the creek where she was killed) because Amma was revealed as the killer before Adora went to trial for them. She was only convicted of Marion’s death in the book.

In the book the girls killed Natalie in the carriage house and took her to the alley at 4 am in a golf cart. I don’t find it a physically challenging possibility.

The girls also cleaned themselves up at the carriage house after the murder. Dead bodies wouldnt bleed profusely from having teeth removed, btw, because the blood is no longer flowing.

If the girls cleaned themselves up at the carriage house their hair and other traces of them would be with the victim's blood in the sink and shower drains.

Of course it would be, because they spent time together there. If the police find loads of blood on the floor and arrest the brother for murder, why would they bother with the drains? Lol.

B/c that’s how you process a crime scene.

In Wind Gap? I don’t know how much time you’ve spent in crappy little towns, but let’s just say that standards are generally low there across the board.

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Anonymous wrote:Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

So, I'm a pediatrician, and I do plenty of chronic abdominal pain workups in kids (most of whom are constipated, or who just don't want to go to school- but I digress). There are no routine blood panels for antifreeze or rat poison.

Okay then in the pee sample: https://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8645

Chronic arsenic poisoning would show up in the nails.

Absolutely it would- but, the problem is, someone would need to be looking for that. It seems everyone in Wind Gap was dead set on turning a blind eye to it.

Then what evidence did they use to convict adora for her daughter’s murder?

It wasn’t included in the series. If I had to guess, medical records, nurse’s testimony, possibly Camille's testimony, the poisons in the house, everyone who saw her giving her daughters her homemade concoctions.

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Anonymous wrote:Another plot hole: weepy boy didn’t live in the carriage house until after his sister died.

His girlfriend’s little sister and her friends hung out there. So why exactly did the police arrest him b/c they found her blood there?

His girlfriend implicated him so that she could be on tv.

So the sheriff doesn't actually use evidence or anything that would hold in court.

the visiting detective doesn't do follow up interviews with the cheerleader or use evidence either.

NBD. Only a serial killer.

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Anonymous wrote:Another plot hole: weepy boy didn’t live in the carriage house until after his sister died.

His girlfriend’s little sister and her friends hung out there. So why exactly did the police arrest him b/c they found her blood there?

His girlfriend implicated him so that she could be on tv.

So the sheriff doesn't actually use evidence or anything that would hold in court.

the visiting detective doesn't do follow up interviews with the cheerleader or use evidence either.

NBD. Only a serial killer.

What makes you think either of those things?

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Anonymous wrote:Another plot hole: weepy boy didn’t live in the carriage house until after his sister died.

His girlfriend’s little sister and her friends hung out there. So why exactly did the police arrest him b/c they found her blood there?

His girlfriend implicated him so that she could be on tv.

So the sheriff doesn't actually use evidence or anything that would hold in court.

the visiting detective doesn't do follow up interviews with the cheerleader or use evidence either.

NBD. Only a serial killer.

What makes you think either of those things?

B/c there was zero evidence connecting the brother to the murder. He wasn't living in the carriage house until after. And what was the sheriff's motivation to have his girlfriend "implicate" him. That doesn't make sense and wouldn't hold up in court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was confused as to why the girls were hanging around the pool where Natalie's brother was living with his girlfriend. He obviously hated Amma - who invited them over to swim? His girlfriend? And what was her connection to the girls - how much older was she supposed to be?

So it wasn't nearly as obvious in the show- they briefly mentioned it like once, but it was easy to miss- one of Amma's little roller skating friends was Ashley's (the cheerleader girlfriend's) younger sister. Which is why they killed Natalie in the carriage house- it was where they hung out. John moved into the carriage house with Ashley after his sister died because he didn't want to be in his depressing home anymore- but before that, it was a hangout spot for the girls. In the show, Ashley said very briefly "my sister was pissed John and i moved in here (carriage house) because she and her nasty friends used to hang out in here"

Ohhhhhh… thank you for explaining this! So Natalie was actually friends with Amma and the other roller skating girls? I thought she was someone they had targeted but weren't actually friends with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

So, I'm a pediatrician, and I do plenty of chronic abdominal pain workups in kids (most of whom are constipated, or who just don't want to go to school- but I digress). There are no routine blood panels for antifreeze or rat poison.

Okay then in the pee sample: https://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8645

Chronic arsenic poisoning would show up in the nails.

Absolutely it would- but, the problem is, someone would need to be looking for that. It seems everyone in Wind Gap was dead set on turning a blind eye to it.

Then what evidence did they use to convict adora for her daughter’s murder?

DP. I imagine they took the blood samples from Amma and Camille - and also their statements re: how Adora was poisoning them - and compared them to Marion's medical records. She had all sorts of mysterious ailments which probably could have been attributed to the substances found in Camille and Amma's blood. Of course, they didn't have Marion's body or blood to compare, but it seems like a jury would have been able to easily convict Adora based on all the evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

So, I'm a pediatrician, and I do plenty of chronic abdominal pain workups in kids (most of whom are constipated, or who just don't want to go to school- but I digress). There are no routine blood panels for antifreeze or rat poison.

Okay then in the pee sample: https://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8645

Chronic arsenic poisoning would show up in the nails.

Absolutely it would- but, the problem is, someone would need to be looking for that. It seems everyone in Wind Gap was dead set on turning a blind eye to it.

Then what evidence did they use to convict adora for her daughter’s murder?

It wasn’t included in the series. If I had to guess, medical records, nurse’s testimony, possibly Camille's testimony, the poisons in the house, everyone who saw her giving her daughters her homemade concoctions.

The body was gone, the nurse previously discredited. The medical records would probably be considered inadmissible b/c of foia exemptions:
https://www.hhs.gov/foia/exemptions-and-exclusions/index.html

I could see if she were convicted of a murder of amma and Camille.

[Anonymous]

Two thoughts: I felt so bad for the brother. He was so sweet and clearly adored his sister. How horrible to be made fun of (not to mention, accused) simply because he was emotional about her death.

His girlfriend - don't remember her name - reminded me so much of a brunette Jane Krakowski.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another plot hole: weepy boy didn’t live in the carriage house until after his sister died.

His girlfriend’s little sister and her friends hung out there. So why exactly did the police arrest him b/c they found her blood there?

His girlfriend implicated him so that she could be on tv.

So the sheriff doesn't actually use evidence or anything that would hold in court.

the visiting detective doesn't do follow up interviews with the cheerleader or use evidence either.

NBD. Only a serial killer.

What makes you think either of those things?

B/c there was zero evidence connecting the brother to the murder. He wasn't living in the carriage house until after. And what was the sheriff's motivation to have his girlfriend "implicate" him. That doesn't make sense and wouldn't hold up in court.

He didn’t need to be living there to have access. No one suspected any of the girls, there was lots of hidden blood, the girlfriend turned on him, and he wasn’t actually denying it at first. How does that add up to zero evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

So, I'm a pediatrician, and I do plenty of chronic abdominal pain workups in kids (most of whom are constipated, or who just don't want to go to school- but I digress). There are no routine blood panels for antifreeze or rat poison.

Okay then in the pee sample: https://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8645

Chronic arsenic poisoning would show up in the nails.

Absolutely it would- but, the problem is, someone would need to be looking for that. It seems everyone in Wind Gap was dead set on turning a blind eye to it.

Then what evidence did they use to convict adora for her daughter’s murder?

It wasn’t included in the series. If I had to guess, medical records, nurse’s testimony, possibly Camille's testimony, the poisons in the house, everyone who saw her giving her daughters her homemade concoctions.

The body was gone, the nurse previously discredited. The medical records would probably be considered inadmissible b/c of foia exemptions:
https://www.hhs.gov/foia/exemptions-and-exclusions/index.html

I could see if she were convicted of a murder of amma and Camille.

Discredited because she suspected what turned out to be true and that was not a popular opinion at the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts: I felt so bad for the brother. He was so sweet and clearly adored his sister. How horrible to be made fun of (not to mention, accused) simply because he was emotional about her death.

His girlfriend - don't remember her name - reminded me so much of a brunette Jane Krakowski.

That had not occurred to me, but now I can’t unsee it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two thoughts: I felt so bad for the brother. He was so sweet and clearly adored his sister. How horrible to be made fun of (not to mention, accused) simply because he was emotional about her death.

His girlfriend - don't remember her name - reminded me so much of a brunette Jane Krakowski.

That had not occurred to me, but now I can’t unsee it.

I kept wondering who she reminded me of. She looks exactly like her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was confused as to why the girls were hanging around the pool where Natalie's brother was living with his girlfriend. He obviously hated Amma - who invited them over to swim? His girlfriend? And what was her connection to the girls - how much older was she supposed to be?

So it wasn't nearly as obvious in the show- they briefly mentioned it like once, but it was easy to miss- one of Amma's little roller skating friends was Ashley's (the cheerleader girlfriend's) younger sister. Which is why they killed Natalie in the carriage house- it was where they hung out. John moved into the carriage house with Ashley after his sister died because he didn't want to be in his depressing home anymore- but before that, it was a hangout spot for the girls. In the show, Ashley said very briefly "my sister was pissed John and i moved in here (carriage house) because she and her nasty friends used to hang out in here"

Ohhhhhh… thank you for explaining this! So Natalie was actually friends with Amma and the other roller skating girls? I thought she was someone they had targeted but weren't actually friends with.

I think Amma used to be friends with her (the book made it more clear- Amma, Natalie and Ann would go around doing delinquent shit together like hurting animals but apparently no one took notice? You'd think that would be kind of a big clue to the police when one of the delinquent girls who likes to kill cats gets killed herself? And then the second girl?). But in the book they said how Amma and her 2 roller skating pals lured Natalie to the carriage house as a ruse, saying they wanted to hang out with her or something, and then kept her there and tortured her.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the police seem extremely incompetent. Just b/c they were kids doesn’t mean they’re above suspicion.