DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arlington getting Girls DA and expansion for boys. Boom, discus

Nice try. No such announcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arlington getting Girls DA and expansion for boys. Boom, discus

Nice try. No such announcement.

I kinda wish they did get it. Might shut up some asa posters here.

[Anonymous]

sorry Elite Soccer Dad who grew up when ODP was all the rage,

no DA for you.its all a money grab. But count on you to suck every friend on the red team into ecnl with your superstar

Cheers,
Nothing burger king of CCL

[Anonymous]

This just in: Arlington is still in CCL. Back to you Steve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This just in: Arlington is still in CCL. Back to you Steve

B teams will play CCL ball now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This just in: Arlington is still in CCL. Back to you Steve

B teams will play CCL ball now

It’s elite....you can take everyone....that would be a MG!

[Anonymous]

ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

there is a 0% chance ECNL selects Arlington to join the league.... you're spending a lot of time worrying and pontificating over something that will not happen this year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

You do understand that you are not forced to do anything right? You do not have to have your kid tryout for teams you do not wish her to play for. You understand this right?

[Anonymous]

^well, in Arlington, all the lemmings have to do what everyone else does.

They need something to boast about. Nobody has an independent thought or a set of balls. Bunch of sycophants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

Still don't quite understand the desire for college soccer, to which ECNL claims to be the main path...what's the end game here? just a couple of years fun after high school?

[Anonymous]

So to recap for the U13 and up girls mess in 2018-2019 seasons for high-level competition (understanding the most think ECNL will be in second place and DA in first). Is this correct?

Girls DA clubs:
FCV
Wash Spirit VA
Wash Spirit Baltimore

Girls ECNL clubs:
VDA
BRYC
Mclean
Bethesda
Loudoun

ARLINGTON: THe big question mark. Rumors of GDA, ECNL, and staying in CCL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

there is a 0% chance ECNL selects Arlington to join the league.... you're spending a lot of time worrying and pontificating over something that will not happen this year

I sat through an ASA parent meeting and absolutely heard parents threaten to leave unless Arlington came up with a better / more competitive option for their daughters. With DA on the boys side, parents want a similar option for girls.

You may have not heard parents asking, but they are.

On another note - at a parent meeting last night (hearing this second hand), coach said something along the lines of “exciting news for ASA coming soon”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

Still don't quite understand the desire for college soccer, to which ECNL claims to be the main path...what's the end game here? just a couple of years fun after high school?

1. The ability to play competitive soccer a bit longer.
2. The possibility of some level of scholarship
3. Probably the most important reason, being a student athlete opens opportunities at schools that otherwise would have never been considered.

The above are true for all athletes who wish to pursue their sport in college. This is not just a soccer thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is a platform, a league. There will be the same coaches, same players, same facilities, etc., but the cost will be much more then the average Arlington Red team incurs. Some Red teams have higher costs, but most do not. The $6 -$10K range is standard for ECNL depending on where its played in the US. The reality is that now all Red teams/players will be forced into this higher cost platform, even if they are not aspiring to the collegiate level. Girls want to play with their peer group, and if they are good players, they want to stay with their good player friends. What family would tell their daughter, sorry, since your focus is college academics and we are investing as much money as we can for that, we do not want you to do the pricey ECNL with your friends and you should instead drop down to the B team and play in CCL? -- that will be the unicorn family.

That is the one unfortunate part of the situation to all these clubs announcing ECNL. It will be fine for a few families seeking out next tier college scouts without the commitment of GDA, but certainly many families have not been walking around Long Bridge Park saying "we need ECNL or else we'll leave!" I have heard that about zero times.

The writing may be on the wall though. With Loudoun, a strong club that always offers good competition in CCL, entering into the ECNL, Arlington may feel it has no other choice to have good competition. I am not sure who makes these decisions - the BOD, the DOC, etc. - but I would hope parents have a voice and are involved and held accountable, for both the good and the bad, by the many other families in Arlington. The fear of being left behind should not be driving this. Would Arlington implode and see an exodus of players if it was decided to do nothing this year? I highly doubt it. Do we have a problem like Loudoun with a GDA next door? No. Make sure the solution makes sense, right?

With ECNL in Arlington, everyone should also know what happens next. The Red team tries out and becomes next year's ECNL team. The White team, the B team, tries out and becomes the Red team, but a B Red team. Often, the bottom team, say Black, just disappears as they go to Blue. There is no real net gain or loss of players, but the psychology of this plays into the desire of parents to be on the top team of something. We are ECNL team, top team playing in the ECNL league! We are Red team, top team playing in the CCL league! This occurs already on the boys side with the DA teams and Red "B" teams. So going forward, being on the Red Team in Arlington just means you are the B team playing in a B league against other CCL clubs' B teams like Loudoun Red (which is made up of its B team players).

The poster above jokes about the money grab that you can see throughout this. But Arlington is not taking your money anymore then parents are giving it to them. It is a money flow and all parties are guilty and shouldn't be pointing fingers at anyone. Arlington by going ECNL is perpetuating this arms race, absolutely, but so are the parents that are willing to pay for the ECNL next year, even though they can look themselves in the mirror and know their daughter has no chance or even desire to play in college. (I think the trend will be that those families with that possibility in the cards -- and a super, aspiring player -- will gravitate and are gravitating towards GDA.) As for ECNL, it cannot be blamed for doing exactly what we would all expect and expanding where they see opportunity and a willing, paying market for what is called elite youth soccer.

Now, just sit tight and wait for the formal announcements to come. Good luck to all.

there is a 0% chance ECNL selects Arlington to join the league.... you're spending a lot of time worrying and pontificating over something that will not happen this year

I sat through an ASA parent meeting and absolutely heard parents threaten to leave unless Arlington came up with a better / more competitive option for their daughters. With DA on the boys side, parents want a similar option for girls.

You may have not heard parents asking, but they are.

On another note - at a parent meeting last night (hearing this second hand), coach said something along the lines of “exciting news for ASA coming soon”.

let the few leave. call their bluff! ASA serves all players.