Why do you let your kid run around at a restaurant?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should be able to explore the world around them without fear that they'll be scolded for being kids.

Aaaaaaand right here we have the attitude that brings so much negativity on kids/parents these days because there are too many wild, undisciplined kids mucking up the public space these days.

And yes, it IS these days. There's a big difference between how kids act now and how they did 20,30, 40 years ago.

Whatever. My toddler doesn't sit still at restaurants. Should I hold him down and force him to stay in his high chair? 20, 30, 40 years ago people used to beat their children. They did all sorts of things we now know is harmful. I don't let my child run around restaurants alone bothering people. I do walk around casual restaurants ( think Panera, Cava Grill etc) with him before the food comes. I think a lot of the people on here are miserable.

Then why don't you wait a few months until he can sit still at a restaurant? Or better yet, have family meals at home? Or aim higher got yourself, get a babysitter and go somewhere nice without him? 20-40 years ago adults had no problem not bringing their children to restaurants, no beating necessary.

Are you really worried about your meal being ruined at a fine dining establishment such as Panera? Do kids ruin your meal at KFC, too?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should be able to explore the world around them without fear that they'll be scolded for being kids.

Aaaaaaand right here we have the attitude that brings so much negativity on kids/parents these days because there are too many wild, undisciplined kids mucking up the public space these days.

And yes, it IS these days. There's a big difference between how kids act now and how they did 20,30, 40 years ago.

Whatever. My toddler doesn't sit still at restaurants. Should I hold him down and force him to stay in his high chair? 20, 30, 40 years ago people used to beat their children. They did all sorts of things we now know is harmful. I don't let my child run around restaurants alone bothering people. I do walk around casual restaurants ( think Panera, Cava Grill etc) with him before the food comes. I think a lot of the people on here are miserable.

Stay the F home please

--the rest of the world

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I was one of those who used to judge parents very harshly when the kids were not on their best behavior. And then I gave birth to a wonderful, adorable little boy with non-visible special needs. We rarely go out to eat, but sometimes my husband's relatives basically force us by taking offense if we don't come to their events at restaurants.

My son cannot sit still and becomes easily agitated. He calms himself by running up and down the aisles of restaurants and through tables. Everyone takes a turn going to follow him and make sure he does not get in trouble, but I know he still disruptive to other diners. He is trying his best and so are we, his parents. But it is very hard.

Why don't you take him outside instead of disrupting others?

I do. We spend much of our time outside while everyone else eats at these obnoxious events my in-laws like to hold. inevitably, one of them will come outside and ask us to come in so they can take photos or see my son, with the implication being that I am keeping him away from them. It is a very tough situation made harder by thoughtless people.

Who is thoughtless, your in-laws?

Yes.

But you just said that you haven't told them about his special needs. They invite you and get offended when you don't want to come, and then spend all of your time chasing your child. Many people would be hurt or perplexed about your lack of participation or focus on what appears to be an ill-behaved child. Maybe they aren't thoughtless. Maybe you should communicate with them about a more appropriate venue for their grandchild and ask for their support in helping him to overcome his challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should be able to explore the world around them without fear that they'll be scolded for being kids.

Aaaaaaand right here we have the attitude that brings so much negativity on kids/parents these days because there are too many wild, undisciplined kids mucking up the public space these days.

And yes, it IS these days. There's a big difference between how kids act now and how they did 20,30, 40 years ago.

Whatever. My toddler doesn't sit still at restaurants. Should I hold him down and force him to stay in his high chair? 20, 30, 40 years ago people used to beat their children. They did all sorts of things we now know is harmful. I don't let my child run around restaurants alone bothering people. I do walk around casual restaurants ( think Panera, Cava Grill etc) with him before the food comes. I think a lot of the people on here are miserable.

Then why don't you wait a few months until he can sit still at a restaurant? Or better yet, have family meals at home? Or aim higher got yourself, get a babysitter and go somewhere nice without him? 20-40 years ago adults had no problem not bringing their children to restaurants, no beating necessary.

Are you really worried about your meal being ruined at a fine dining establishment such as Panera? Do kids ruin your meal at KFC, too?

And here we have the problem.

It's not up to YOU to decide which dining establishments are ok for your out-of-control kid to take over. You probably didn't consider that eating at Panera or KFC could be a treat for someone on a budget. You just assume that the rest of the country shares your same worldview, which appears to be a self-centered one.

Eat at home. Teach your kid to control himself. Practice at very kid-friendly restaurants if you want. When he reaches the age at which he can understand, take him out to eat. That's being considerate of other people.

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Depends on the restaurant. Is it a fine dining establishment or Applebees?

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It doesn't depend on the restaurant, as a PP pointed out. I don't care if I'm stopping in for a bowl of pho, kids shouldn't be running around, pestering customers, crawling under tables, handling items on other tables, and tripping servers who are carrying scalding hot bowls of soup.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

I guess the boiling water softens it down a bit right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids should be able to explore the world around them without fear that they'll be scolded for being kids.

Aaaaaaand right here we have the attitude that brings so much negativity on kids/parents these days because there are too many wild, undisciplined kids mucking up the public space these days.

And yes, it IS these days. There's a big difference between how kids act now and how they did 20,30, 40 years ago.

Whatever. My toddler doesn't sit still at restaurants. Should I hold him down and force him to stay in his high chair? 20, 30, 40 years ago people used to beat their children. They did all sorts of things we now know is harmful. I don't let my child run around restaurants alone bothering people. I do walk around casual restaurants ( think Panera, Cava Grill etc) with him before the food comes. I think a lot of the people on here are miserable.

Then why don't you wait a few months until he can sit still at a restaurant? Or better yet, have family meals at home? Or aim higher got yourself, get a babysitter and go somewhere nice without him? 20-40 years ago adults had no problem not bringing their children to restaurants, no beating necessary.

Are you really worried about your meal being ruined at a fine dining establishment such as Panera? Do kids ruin your meal at KFC, too?

And here we have the problem.

It's not up to YOU to decide which dining establishments are ok for your out-of-control kid to take over. You probably didn't consider that eating at Panera or KFC could be a treat for someone on a budget. You just assume that the rest of the country shares your same worldview, which appears to be a self-centered one.

Eat at home. Teach your kid to control himself. Practice at very kid-friendly restaurants if you want. When he reaches the age at which he can understand, take him out to eat. That's being considerate of other people.

Ummm...the adults at Panera are some of the least considerate people on the planet. Unless you consider taking up an entire table with a laptop while nursing a coffee for five hours considerate to paying patrons.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't depend on the restaurant, as a PP pointed out. I don't care if I'm stopping in for a bowl of pho, kids shouldn't be running around, pestering customers, crawling under tables, handling items on other tables, and tripping servers who are carrying scalding hot bowls of soup.

There is a continuum. To the extent we are talking about truly running around unsupervised then I agree, it really doesn't matter how nice the restaurant is because the danger of a kid tripping servers or running into customers is the same no matter what.

But if we are talking about a lot of the other things that have come up in this thread - such as noise and other disruptions that fall short of a safety hazard -- than it does make a difference. My kids will be on a shorter leash depending on where we are and what time of day we are eating. If we are at a fast casual place eating early, a moderate amount of noise and non-safety related commotion isn't really an issue in my mind. The restaurant is usually filled with other kids and a degree of boisterous behavior is to be expected. They would still get yanked if they were making a lot of noise, a big mess, or otherwise interfering with other diners (which in my mind, in this setting doesn't include normal kid noise).

If we are at a nicer (relatively speaking, we aren't taking them to fine dining) sit-down place, particularly if it is not really early, I will be much quicker to pull them out A little bit of noise is ok, especially as many places these days are incredibly noisy with adults and lack of sound proofing, but anything beyond that isn't appropriate. Same thing goes for other sort of behavior, like making a mess. (My two year old is going to make a mess, but we draw a line between whether he is trying and misses his mouth/plate v. he is intentionally making a mess. We will let him do the former since it is the only way to learn and we normally tip more than 20% to account for extra mess, but if he is goofing off we take him outside.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

Hot water opens the pores of the dead chicken so that feathers are released. Then you can gut the chicken, chop
it into at least 8 pieces, and bake it in an oven at 350 degrees for 37 minutes. If you want to pour half a glass of the wine you are drinking over the chicken, that's cool.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

I guess the boiling water softens it down a bit right?

No stupid it kills the godamn chicken! Gheeez!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

I guess the boiling water softens it down a bit right?

No stupid it kills the godamn chicken! Gheeez!

I believe beheading the chicken would kill it genius.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of you guys are just mean-spirited, miserable and likely perpetually single assholes making up stories. I don't see this epidemic of kids running around fine dining establishment and I eat out for virtually every meal. You dislike children and happy parents because you are lonely, unhappy people who begrudge others joy.

I agree. I mentioned somewhere upthread that this is never a problem for me, and someone replied that the frequency with which this occurs is irrelevant to the conversation. Crazy.

I think people are just bitter, and this is their moment to have a weekly "holier than thou" moment. I do think that some of these people are parents who are complaining because they've done all the "hard work" of parenting their children "properly" and want some kind of societal pat on the back by making up incidents of kids running around $150 / plate restaurants.

Yeah, that's definitely it

I think it is. I hear this crap all the time. You're a wonderful parent and everyone else sucks by comparison. Society is going to hell in a handbasket, but you're doing your part. Why can't more people be like you. It must be because they're lazy.

Whine, whine, whine.

Yes you hear it because it's largely true. Free range children. Hmphf.

In my view the same thing that happens to free range chickens should happen to free range children

Sorry what happens to free ranging chicken? And also I still didn't get the answer to my question about where does tea come from? Sorry I was a SN kid back in the days. Thanks in advance.

NP Free range chickens get their heads cut off. Tea comes from little bags that you submerge in boiling hot water, just like you submerge a beheaded chicken in boiling hot water so that the feathers are easier to remove.

You made me even more confused! How does boiling water make it easier for feathers to come out? Sorry pardon me. Like I said I was a SN kid. Sorry.

I guess the boiling water softens it down a bit right?

No stupid it kills the godamn chicken! Gheeez!

I believe beheading the chicken would kill it genius.

Sorry it's me again! So did the chicken drive n