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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this?  There are thousands of children awaiting homes.  There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you.  I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute.  Don't ask me to incubate for you.[/quote]

You don't have to incubate for ME.  You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes.  [b]I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception [/b]and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there,  you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan.  I am pro all either of these choices.[/quote]

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.[/quote]

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?
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(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)[/quote]

You are losing track of your posters.  I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo.  Full explanation at 12:02.  [/quote]

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.[/quote]

No, I had them all put into my uterus.  [/quote]

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated?  If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?[/quote]

You are really going off the deep end now.  [/quote]

Hey, I'm just taking PP's position to its logical conclusion. If embryo or fetus = baby, then it always does, not just when it's convenient for pro-lifers. [/quote]

Lady, you are cornfused.  I am sorry b/c it seems you have a shaky moral foundation and therefore are twisted up in your logic and emotion.  I can extrapolate to see why people like you, who appear so angry and emotional and defensive, think abortion is okay, then.

Child dies at the hand of God/fate/nature -- whether in womb or not -- no human interference = no  human culpability 
Child des at the hand of human interference -- whether in womb or not = human culpability

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So if all your dreams come true and abortion becomes illegal in all circumstances, how will the authorities determine which woman had a miscarriage and which woman had an abortion? Shouldn't all spontaneous abortions, otherwise known as miscarriages, need to be investigated by the authorities then?[/quote]

I'm pro-choice, but this is a terrible argument, and not what has happened in the multitude of other countries where abortion is, unfortunately, illegal.  Lots and lots and lots of other unfortunate effects.  But leave the IVF poster alone - she clearly tried to act in line with her particular ethics.  I wish we could all agree that she should be able to legally force that on others, but it seems to me that she did her best given her circumstances.[/quote]

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