Supreme Court rules Trump's emergency tariffs are illegal

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Anonymous wrote:This.

I don't think Americans fully grasp how chaotic trump is making economics and business work worldwide. Investment is down and trade is down because Trump is a moron.

the courts didn't help by allowing the tariffs to take effect while these cases worked their way through the courts. They really should have been subject to injunction.

This is why this new 15% tariff is being challenged by India, EU, UK…why let it go into effect, as it did this morning? It’s illegal too.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

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Apparently this new illegal tariff does not apply to many things - produce, pharma, aluminum, steel, and anything from Mexico or Canada.
Looking forward to cheaper avocados!

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World-renowned Harvard educated Harvard/Columbia economist on why the tariffs are illegal and why the stolen money needs to be returned.


Jeffrey Sachs: Trump Must Return STOLEN Tariff Money

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Any business or individual who paid a tariff should just deduct it from there taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Another advantage-the-wealthy crusade.

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Someone asked earlier in the thread if they should pay the tariff on an item they ordered.
If you already received it or it was already processed by Customs and Border Protection before Feb. 24, you will owe the tariffs that the Supreme Court just ruled against. After that, you’ll have to pay the new tariff.

FYI unless it’s Mexico or Canada, the new “global” tariff is 10%, not the 15%. He changed his mind too late. Remember it does not apply to many things, so your product may be exempt.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Any business or individual who paid a tariff should just deduct it from there taxes.

The refund will go to whoever paid the tariff. From there, it may or may not be filtered down to the actual customer who was charged a higher price to cover the cost of the tariff. Many companies just tried to absorb it, cutting into profits. They’ll keep their refund.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Another advantage-the-wealthy crusade.

versus an unaccountable federal government? If the county overtaxes you on your property and you win a lawsuit against them, you should get a refund. Same with illegal federal money grabs

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Any business or individual who paid a tariff should just deduct it from there taxes.

The refund will go to whoever paid the tariff. From there, it may or may not be filtered down to the actual customer who was charged a higher price to cover the cost of the tariff. Many companies just tried to absorb it, cutting into profits. They’ll keep their refund.

That’s not quite so straightforward though. Company A produces a component in a country subject to US tariffs (the “country of origin”). Company B imports it, pays tariffs and duties to US govt. It supplies it to company C at a markup/profit AND bills through for the tariffs. Company C uses the component in the manufacture of a larger or more complex product and sells the finished product to Company at a profit AND bills through for the tariffs. It is not unusual for this chain to continue all the way up to quite large household name companies, with tariffs billed through as a separate line item each time, and the end buyer may be enterprise, government, or consumer. “Refunds” will be requested all the way through the supply chain since each company paid tariffs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Any business or individual who paid a tariff should just deduct it from there taxes.

The refund will go to whoever paid the tariff. From there, it may or may not be filtered down to the actual customer who was charged a higher price to cover the cost of the tariff. Many companies just tried to absorb it, cutting into profits. They’ll keep their refund.

That’s not quite so straightforward though. Company A produces a component in a country subject to US tariffs (the “country of origin”). Company B imports it, pays tariffs and duties to US govt. It supplies it to company C at a markup/profit AND bills through for the tariffs. Company C uses the component in the manufacture of a larger or more complex product and sells the finished product to Company at a profit AND bills through for the tariffs. It is not unusual for this chain to continue all the way up to quite large household name companies, with tariffs billed through as a separate line item each time, and the end buyer may be enterprise, government, or consumer. “Refunds” will be requested all the way through the supply chain since each company paid tariffs.

The tariff billing up the chain will have to be dealt with between the different companies, maybe with mediation etc. But whatever the US Government billed the importer needs to first be refunded to that importer, and any tax deduction the first importer took for tariffs needs to be reversed

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How stupid is Kavanaugh comment on refunding the tariffs? It’s like he has no clue how businesses work.

I was watching a cable show and the “guest” commentator referred to Kavanaugh comment on how complicated refunds would be. They said oh it’s billions of dollars and the money has been earmarked or spent. This is laughable. The money was collected illegally and has to be returned.

Every dollar if tariff collected has a paper trail.

In the simple case, the tariffed item was a finished good, but, in many cases, the tariffed item was incorporated in some other good, and so, on, until an actual finished good was produced. E.g. a tariffed GPU might have ended up sold to the ultimate consumer, or on some graphics card that incorporated 30 other chips then sold to the consumer, or in a supercomputer along with thousands of other GPUs. And intermediaries along the way.

And all have a paper trail. Everything is tracked - the item, who paid the tariff, etc. This is like saying the IRS and each tax payer does not know how much taxes they pay each year. It is not complicated.

Exactly, and refunds can be given through the same systems. None of these tariffs was paid in cash. There are records: what the government charged, and who paid the bill

Except post-tariff consumers paid the bill, or much of it, as the cost was forwarded as an increased price at the register. Inflation, remember?

Please demonstrate how the broad public so impacted are to be made whole, and how those having directly paid the tariff would not achieve double gain, first from the increased sales price captures and then from the full reimbursement of the tariff.

The broad public is screwed, yes. But that doesn't mean that the federal government should just be able to keep ill gotten gains. Refund the money to whoever paid a tariff and then the companies have to declare the refund as income. Or if an individual has a receipt from buying goods from abroad, make that deductible on their taxes for 2026 filing , since 2025 filing has already started

Another advantage-the-wealthy crusade.

versus an unaccountable federal government? If the county overtaxes you on your property and you win a lawsuit against them, you should get a refund. Same with illegal federal money grabs

Just another paradigm where we've institutiinally privatized gain at public expense with no meaningful social benefit. Way to make more likely all the ridiculous side effects which would come with the backlash, assuming that isn't quashed by something worse, still.

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Trump bait and switched?

Shocking!

(not shocking)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone asked earlier in the thread if they should pay the tariff on an item they ordered.
If you already received it or it was already processed by Customs and Border Protection before Feb. 24, you will owe the tariffs that the Supreme Court just ruled against. After that, you’ll have to pay the new tariff.

FYI unless it’s Mexico or Canada, the new “global” tariff is 10%, not the 15%. He changed his mind too late. Remember it does not apply to many things, so your product may be exempt.

Since the Administration has conceded in its appeal to the Federal Court of Appeals (post Court of International Trade) that section 122 tariffs are unavailable and cannot be lawfully used, it is a matter of time before these are tossed out. Maybe this time, the courts will not stay injunctions and the whole refund mess can be avoided.