What is so special about UVA, W&M, VT!?!??

[Anonymous]

Well, there you have it. UVA and W&M are gay schools built by slaves on land taken from indigenous people. VT is not gay and not built by slaves.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA, VT and W&M represent 50% of the schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Mississippi worth attending.

What out of UNC, Wake, W&L, Emory, Georgetown, JHU, Duke, Davidson, USNA, Georgia Tech, Florida, etc. are not worth attending?

Georgetown, JHU, and Duke would be the other 50%

I see this was supposed to be sneaky Emory slander but the best schools south of the mason Dixie are Duke, JHU, Vandy, Rice, Emory in that order. Georgetown, UVa, UNC, Gatech, W&L are the next 5. Wake doesn't make the the T10 southern schools.

These schools are test optional so scores and rankings are skewed.

Georgetown, JHU, and Duke are the other three.

Those 3 schools had higher test scores when they were test required. Also they're just harder to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

[Anonymous]

I’m proud of my state and don’t want my kids to go out of state. Dh and I are also from other states and we both chose to attend our state flagships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, there you have it. UVA and W&M are gay schools built by slaves on land taken from indigenous people. VT is not gay and not built by slaves.

Laugh. And yet some claim DCUM does not understand satire.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who originally said W&M was pricey for in-state tuition. I still think that. I also didn't say that it was the most expensive school out there or that it wasn't worth it. If one of my kids wanted to go there, I'd happily pay.

Out of curiosity, I looked up Michigan's tuition and fees, which are $18,346. W&M's tuition and fees are $26,456. UVM's tuition and fees are $19,996. All exclusive of housing, of course.

What is peculiar about W&M fees compared to the other VA publics is a $1 284 a semester “auxiliary fee” charge and a $1,204 a semester fee for “intercollegiate athletics” which adds up to $4,084, hence the surcharge over, say, UVA. I asked about that because DD has no interest in “intercollegiate athletics” but they were firm it had to be paid.

Many schools are now passing on the costs of NIL to their students. At least W&M is up front about what it’s for and doesn’t hide it?

The state requires public schools to publish fees. All state four year colleges have intercollegiate athletics fees ranging from $732 at VT to $4,186 at VMI.

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UVA does not have an intercollegiate athletic fee. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2025-2026#:~:text=Student%20Health%20Insurance:%20All%20students%20at%20the,the%20comparable%20plan%20criteria%2C%20the%20student%20will

No they just lie about it and hide it under another fee

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Of course they have this.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

William & Mary is also an original Public Ivy.

Which means nothing. Please stop using this term because people are laughing at you.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Look at it from the perspective of a full pay applicant.

Georgetown Acceptance rate: 12%

OOS UVA: 9%

It is not just Virginians who want to go to UVA.

Applications will soon clear over 100,000.

OMG, you just never stop!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

Sorry, that’s nonsense. VT is highly regarded all-around. I’m an employer and we jump when we see applications from VT grads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

Sorry, that’s nonsense. VT is highly regarded all-around. I’m an employer and we jump when we see applications from VT grads.

You *jump* when you see applications from the second largest university in the state? That should just be a normal day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

Sorry, that’s nonsense. VT is highly regarded all-around. I’m an employer and we jump when we see applications from VT grads.

You *jump* when you see applications from the second largest university in the state? That should just be a normal day

VT grads are just better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

Sorry, that’s nonsense. VT is highly regarded all-around. I’m an employer and we jump when we see applications from VT grads.

You *jump* when you see applications from the second largest university in the state? That should just be a normal day

VT grads are just better

Coming back after your last two replies were removed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

UVA and W&Mary are fine schools but they do not have the same peer group as ivy+. VT is not anywhere close.
The education is not the same for this reason. Classes cannot progress at the same depth and pace at a school with fewer than a quarter of the student body with top 1% scores, even lower at (VT). versus the ivy+ with half or more of the class with 99%ile sores, 3/4 or more with top 3% scores.
Do the pre-TO comparison and look up the SAT data from years they would have tested.

Using Pre-TO and the %iles at the time:
MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale, Duke, Brown, Stanford, Hopkins, WashU, Vanderbilt have medians around 99th%ile.
Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are slightly lower ranges with median SAT /act around the 97-98%ile, slightly different but not likely felt significantly as a peer group experience.
Chicago and Columbia did not publish pre-TO data, likely were lower than the top group or they would have published.

UVA and William and Mary show median test scores around 94%ile, top quarter roughly corresponds to just below the median of the top schools. That creates a different peer group from the top two groups.
Virginia Tech has median test scores around the 85%ile. The top quarter of VT corresponds to the median of UVA/WM. VT is a significantly different different peer group from UVA and William and Mary, thus the educational experience will be different.

Peer group matters for teaching: professors know it, deans know it, and top companies and grad/professional schools know it.

My goodness, what a lot of hot air this poster is spewing. While I certainly don't dispute the fact that none of these schools Ivies, the bolded just made me laugh. You pretend to know a lot about things which you clearly know nothing. Kind of amusing, in a way.
DP

VT Engineering is well-regarded, the rest, not so much. UVa & W&M are in a different tier within the state.

Sorry, that’s nonsense. VT is highly regarded all-around. I’m an employer and we jump when we see applications from VT grads.

You *jump* when you see applications from the second largest university in the state? That should just be a normal day

VT grads are just better

Coming back after your last two replies were removed?

Put down the wine, sweetie.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who originally said W&M was pricey for in-state tuition. I still think that. I also didn't say that it was the most expensive school out there or that it wasn't worth it. If one of my kids wanted to go there, I'd happily pay.

Out of curiosity, I looked up Michigan's tuition and fees, which are $18,346. W&M's tuition and fees are $26,456. UVM's tuition and fees are $19,996. All exclusive of housing, of course.

What is peculiar about W&M fees compared to the other VA publics is a $1 284 a semester “auxiliary fee” charge and a $1,204 a semester fee for “intercollegiate athletics” which adds up to $4,084, hence the surcharge over, say, UVA. I asked about that because DD has no interest in “intercollegiate athletics” but they were firm it had to be paid.

Many schools are now passing on the costs of NIL to their students. At least W&M is up front about what it’s for and doesn’t hide it?

The state requires public schools to publish fees. All state four year colleges have intercollegiate athletics fees ranging from $732 at VT to $4,186 at VMI.

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UVA does not have an intercollegiate athletic fee. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2025-2026#:~:text=Student%20Health%20Insurance:%20All%20students%20at%20the,the%20comparable%20plan%20criteria%2C%20the%20student%20will

No they just lie about it and hide it under another fee

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[i]Of course they have this.

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Show us where.

[Anonymous]

https://c-ville.com/uvas-student-bank-undergrads-pay-13-2-million-athletics-fees/

And UVA still sucks at football lol