What is so special about UVA, W&M, VT!?!??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:W&M could quickly reduce its acceptance rate by 50% with concerted marketing in Texas and California. It’s a very niche brand in those states today.

And how do they get there, uber from Dulles?

I would imagine there are flights from Texas to Richmond. Just a guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Huge list of colleges and universities with ties to slavery. Look at the column on the left. Even Harvard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_at_American_colleges_and_universities

[Anonymous]

I won't say it makes them special, but W&M, UVA, and VT all have relatively high 4 year and 6 year graduation rates (including for Pell students), low student loan default rates, and appear to have strong alumni support. This is particularly impressive because Virginia does not fund higher education as generously as many states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M could quickly reduce its acceptance rate by 50% with concerted marketing in Texas and California. It’s a very niche brand in those states today.

And how do they get there, uber from Dulles?

I would imagine there are flights from Texas to Richmond. Just a guess.

Direct flights from Dallas and Houston to Richmond and Norfolk. One stop to Newport News/Williamsburg Airport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M could quickly reduce its acceptance rate by 50% with concerted marketing in Texas and California. It’s a very niche brand in those states today.

And how do they get there, uber from Dulles?

I would imagine there are flights from Texas to Richmond. Just a guess.

Direct flights from Dallas and Houston to Richmond and Norfolk. One stop to Newport News/Williamsburg Airport.

For WM, I suspect most fly in/out from RIC or ORF. Both of those are well connected with all 4 major airlines. NN/Williamsburg airport has few commercial flights.

For CNU, mostly in-state students, but any OOS likely use ORF more.

For UVa, CHO also has few flights, which is why taking a coach to/from IAD is so common.

For VCU, the usual thing is to fly in/out from RIC.

[Anonymous]

For william and mary, Richmond is the default. They are about equidistant in relation to W&M. But, ORF can be an absolute shitshow courtesy of the tunnel from Hampton to Norfolk. Certain worse as you get towards vacation time and spring/summer. I64 towards the beach can be a night mare. RIC historically has been an expensive airport to fly out of but that reputation is not as strong as it once was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M could quickly reduce its acceptance rate by 50% with concerted marketing in Texas and California. It’s a very niche brand in those states today.

And how do they get there, uber from Dulles?

I would imagine there are flights from Texas to Richmond. Just a guess.

Direct flights from Dallas and Houston to Richmond and Norfolk. One stop to Newport News/Williamsburg Airport.

For WM, I suspect most fly in/out from RIC or ORF. Both of those are well connected with all 4 major airlines. NN/Williamsburg airport has few commercial flights.

For CNU, mostly in-state students, but any OOS likely use ORF more.

For UVa, CHO also has few flights, which is why taking a coach to/from IAD is so common.

For VCU, the usual thing is to fly in/out from RIC.

VT has the Roanoke Airport. There's also Amtrak and buses. Charlotte is two hours south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

I lived in Charlottesville then. I know which entity exercised eminent domain. This is from the article you cited: "In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, raze it, and attempt to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial development."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

I lived in Charlottesville then. I know which entity exercised eminent domain. This is from the article you cited: "In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, raze it, and attempt to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial development."

What part of this are you unable to comprehend?

“Rather, throughout the city’s history and still today, African American neighborhoods have borne the costs of the city’s – and the University of Virginia’s – growth. In some instances, the University played a direct role in the physical destruction of Black neighborhoods and displacement of its residents. At other times, its influence has been felt more indirectly.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure.

UVA’s growth during these years came at Black Charlottesvillians’ expense. During the 1970s, the University Health System encroached upon the Black neighborhood of Gospel Hill with the constructions of Jordan Hall (named for noted eugenicist Harvey E. Jordan, and later renamed Pinn Hall, in honor of Dr. Vivian Pinn, the School of Medicine’s first Black female graduate), McLeod Hall and the Claude Moore Health Sciences Library. Adjacent to the prior community of Canada, Gospel Hill was originally settled by free Black families in the antebellum era. Through the 1970s and ’80s, UVA acquired properties in this neighborhood, razed them and constructed either parking lots or medical facilities.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

I lived in Charlottesville then. I know which entity exercised eminent domain. This is from the article you cited: "In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, raze it, and attempt to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial development."

Vinegar Hill had nothing to do with UVA's expansion. In fact it sat pretty much vacant for years. UVA's expansion in the same time period was in the opposite direction on land UVA already owned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first place, they are all excellent schools, better than most flagships nationally.

Both UVA and W&M have a history most colleges don't. I grew up in the private school, expensive private / elite college world, and going to UVA and W&M was very, very respectable. They do have prestige.

Add to it attractive campuses and in state tuition, can't you now understand why they are so popular and sought after?

Doesn’t UVA have an ugly history? In the 1960s they used eminent domain to wipe out the surrounding black communities. Jefferson built the university so that the “sons of the South” wouldn’t go North and be taught about abolition of slavery.

It’s not the 1960s anymore where Southern schools fought desegregation but they are slower to change than schools without the history.

Honestly, I suspect you are thinking of CNU for the above bit about eminent domain. Still ugly, but a different college.

DP. Wrong.

Almost from the moment UVA began to expand beyond its original Academical Village, Charlottesville’s communities of color faced the threats of displacement and erasure. In the 1830s, free people of color began moving into the area just south of the Academical Village that by the 1860s was increasingly referred to as “Canada,” a reference to the free Black people living there.

In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire and raze the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, and attempted to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial project. The project displaced more than 600 Black families and resulted in the closing of more than 30 Black-owned businesses.

The displacement of Vinegar Hill’s residents coincided with a massive increase in the University of Virginia’s student body and expansion of the University’s physical footprint.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-and-history-race-property-and-power

Charlottesville exercised eminent domain with Vinegar Hill, not UVA.

All one has to do is read the above to know that isn't true. Why are you obfuscating? I've bolded the pertinent words.

I lived in Charlottesville then. I know which entity exercised eminent domain. This is from the article you cited: "In 1965, Charlottesville utilized eminent domain to acquire the Vinegar Hill neighborhood and business district, raze it, and attempt to redevelop it for a new thoroughfare and commercial development."

Vinegar Hill had nothing to do with UVA's expansion. In fact it sat pretty much vacant for years. UVA's expansion in the same time period was in the opposite direction on land UVA already owned.

From the above post, which was quoted from UVA themselves. Not sure why you can’t bear to admit facts:

“UVA’s growth during these years came at Black Charlottesvillians’ expense. During the 1970s, the University Health System encroached upon the Black neighborhood of Gospel Hill with the constructions of Jordan Hall (named for noted eugenicist Harvey E. Jordan, and later renamed Pinn Hall, in honor of Dr. Vivian Pinn, the School of Medicine’s first Black female graduate), McLeod Hall and the Claude Moore Health Sciences Library. Adjacent to the prior community of Canada, Gospel Hill was originally settled by free Black families in the antebellum era. Through the 1970s and ’80s, UVA acquired properties in this neighborhood, razed them and constructed either parking lots or medical facilities.”