Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

[Anonymous]

Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a fan but have not listened to her last album. It just didn’t really do it for me, and I gave up. Is it worth a re-listen?

TTPD, the songs I go back to over and over and love:
-tortured poets department (who’s gonna hold you but me?”)
-the prophecy - “I’ve been on my knees” “don’t want money, just someone who wants my company, please who should I speak to,” sad, and soo good.
-guilty as sin - I think my favorite on the album. Musically cannot be denied.
-my boy only breaks his favorite toys - I get Barbie movie themes. About her whole life and all failed relationships. What always happens. Similar to “the prophecy”
-who’s afraid of little old me (very bitter, angry, if you’re angry it feels good. “I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn” the way she sings it so good)
-Clara bow
-I hate it here, gets stuck in my head. After the shooting of the church on Sunday, yep, that’s how I felt.

A few others like Fortnight are good. There are 3 more *incredible* sad songs that I almost can’t listen to, I’m not that sad. “loml” is one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is Taylor the emperor and some of her fans refuse to admit she's naked?

No. She's good. And her fans love her. Every artist has a "less good" album now and then. The thing is, what she's exceptional at is not just song writing it's creating a para-social connection with fans, marketing, and consistency. She doesn't disappear for a decade like some artists and then expect to return to the same adoring horde they had before going off into the woods or whatever.

Taylor's good. She's got this. She doesn't need to try to be anything she's not. She proved that with the Eras tour.

I am a longtime Taylor skeptic and I agree with this. This will become the weird, mediocre album she produced right after eras and before her first marriage. It will be largely forgotten except as a trivia question ("n what album did Taylor Swift release a "dis track" against fellow pop star and rival Charli XCX?" or "the infamous legal battle between actress Blake Lively and actor/director Jason Baldoni spawned a pop song about being "cancelled" as the kids used to say -- who wrote that song?"). But she's too talented and ambitious for this to be it, she'll come back with something great and surprising, like when she released Folklore/evermore or when she launched Eras, and people will move on. This really doesn't undermine her legacy in any way. She's too prolific for that.

Bob Dylan release some real stinker albums. So did Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. They are still music royalty and Taylor belongs among them even if this album kind of sucks.

I like this album more than TTPD, personally. There's an album for everyone.

Do you like it more than 1989? Because I think that album did what this one does but better and in a more cohesive way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

The whole thing was telegraphing pure cringe from the title alone. Nobody under age 55 finds “showgirls” in any way sexy or aspirational. It’s boomer tier. Taylor is just a machine at this point controlled by boomer execs milking her millennial and gen X mom super fans.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Taylor the emperor and some of her fans refuse to admit she's naked?

No. She's good. And her fans love her. Every artist has a "less good" album now and then. The thing is, what she's exceptional at is not just song writing it's creating a para-social connection with fans, marketing, and consistency. She doesn't disappear for a decade like some artists and then expect to return to the same adoring horde they had before going off into the woods or whatever.

Taylor's good. She's got this. She doesn't need to try to be anything she's not. She proved that with the Eras tour.

I am a longtime Taylor skeptic and I agree with this. This will become the weird, mediocre album she produced right after eras and before her first marriage. It will be largely forgotten except as a trivia question ("n what album did Taylor Swift release a "dis track" against fellow pop star and rival Charli XCX?" or "the infamous legal battle between actress Blake Lively and actor/director Jason Baldoni spawned a pop song about being "cancelled" as the kids used to say -- who wrote that song?"). But she's too talented and ambitious for this to be it, she'll come back with something great and surprising, like when she released Folklore/evermore or when she launched Eras, and people will move on. This really doesn't undermine her legacy in any way. She's too prolific for that.

Bob Dylan release some real stinker albums. So did Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. They are still music royalty and Taylor belongs among them even if this album kind of sucks.

I like this album more than TTPD, personally. There's an album for everyone.

Do you like it more than 1989? Because I think that album did what this one does but better and in a more cohesive way.

No, 1989 is her top album in my opinion. Welcome to NY, Blank Space, Style, Out of the Woods, Shake it Off, Bad Blood, Wildest Dreams, Clean - those are so good! But there are songs on 1989 that are skips for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Taylor the emperor and some of her fans refuse to admit she's naked?

No. She's good. And her fans love her. Every artist has a "less good" album now and then. The thing is, what she's exceptional at is not just song writing it's creating a para-social connection with fans, marketing, and consistency. She doesn't disappear for a decade like some artists and then expect to return to the same adoring horde they had before going off into the woods or whatever.

Taylor's good. She's got this. She doesn't need to try to be anything she's not. She proved that with the Eras tour.

I am a longtime Taylor skeptic and I agree with this. This will become the weird, mediocre album she produced right after eras and before her first marriage. It will be largely forgotten except as a trivia question ("n what album did Taylor Swift release a "dis track" against fellow pop star and rival Charli XCX?" or "the infamous legal battle between actress Blake Lively and actor/director Jason Baldoni spawned a pop song about being "cancelled" as the kids used to say -- who wrote that song?"). But she's too talented and ambitious for this to be it, she'll come back with something great and surprising, like when she released Folklore/evermore or when she launched Eras, and people will move on. This really doesn't undermine her legacy in any way. She's too prolific for that.

Bob Dylan release some real stinker albums. So did Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. They are still music royalty and Taylor belongs among them even if this album kind of sucks.

I like this album more than TTPD, personally. There's an album for everyone.

Do you like it more than 1989? Because I think that album did what this one does but better and in a more cohesive way.

No, 1989 is her top album in my opinion. Welcome to NY, Blank Space, Style, Out of the Woods, Shake it Off, Bad Blood, Wildest Dreams, Clean - those are so good! But there are songs on 1989 that are skips for me.

1989 is not my favorite album (I like Reputation and Folklore/evermore best) but agree it's her best pop album and produces some of her best pop songs.

This new album is just not at that level. And look, I recognize it's a high bar, but it's one she set for herself. If this were the debut album of a new pop artist, I think people would be praising it more. But it's not. I don't think it's even at the level of Sabrina or Olivia. It feels like she's aping some of what they do. It's just a much weaker album which sucks when you know she's capable of much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

I thought Charli’s lyrics looked inward and talked about her own insecurities. I didn’t hear it as a Taylor diss track.

I do think Actually Romantic targets Charli and am disappointed. Without the Charli references, it would work as a song about the people who hate Taylor yet spend hours online discussing her and dissecting her every move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

In what context? Charli has never insulted or attacked Taylor in a public way. Ever. Sympathy is a Knife is *not* a dis track, if anything it's a compliment -- the song is about Charli feeling insecure about being in Taylor's orbit, which is a totally reasonable thing. It's a vulnerable song and doesn't put Taylor down.

IF Charli did some of the stuff Taylor mentions in Actually Romantic behind closed doors (called her Boring Barbie or "high fived" Matty when he broke up with Taylor), these were private actions that were well below the radar of the public, who had no inkling of a feud between them. And that's a big if, frankly. At one point in the song, Taylor speculates that Charli's boyfriend (now husband) must be sick of talking about Taylor. This is an imagined fantasy about Charli talking nonstop about Taylor, something Taylor could not possibly know even if it were true, and which is probably not true. Even the Boring Barbie and high five comments sound like the kind of 3rd hand gossip some shit-stirrer might have passed on to Taylor's circle to feel in the know, who knows if it is even accurate. It also appears that Taylor is still feeling hurt and vulnerable over the Matty breakup, and this is presenting in the form of paranoia that everyone in Matty's circle is laughing at her. But how likely is this, really? These are people with their own lives and problems. Do we really think that Charli and the 1975 and Gabriette sit around talking about Taylor all the time? I don't.

Meanwhile, Taylor makes fun of Charli's drug use, compares her to a dog, insinuates that Charli is actually attracted to/in love with Taylor, and attempts to claim that Charli is beneath her notice (while dedicating a whole-ass song to her on her new album, lol). Even if Charli has said some unkind things about Taylor in private circles far from any media, that doesn't justify this. It's bringing a bazooka to a water balloon fight.

[Anonymous]

Just like all of her albums, this one is growing on me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

I thought Charli’s lyrics looked inward and talked about her own insecurities. I didn’t hear it as a Taylor diss track.

I do think Actually Romantic targets Charli and am disappointed. Without the Charli references, it would work as a song about the people who hate Taylor yet spend hours online discussing her and dissecting her every move.

Eh, we have no idea what else has been going on behind the scenes with that group and Taylor. I say this as a Swiftie and a fan of Charli and The 1975 too.

Could also be about all of her recent haters, Trump included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

I thought Charli’s lyrics looked inward and talked about her own insecurities. I didn’t hear it as a Taylor diss track.

I do think Actually Romantic targets Charli and am disappointed. Without the Charli references, it would work as a song about the people who hate Taylor yet spend hours online discussing her and dissecting her every move.

Eh, we have no idea what else has been going on behind the scenes with that group and Taylor. I say this as a Swiftie and a fan of Charli and The 1975 too.

Could also be about all of her recent haters, Trump included.

The lyrics show it is definitely about Charli. Trump didn't write a song about Taylor and he doesn't hang out with Matty Healy, so I think we can safely say it's not about him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

I thought Charli’s lyrics looked inward and talked about her own insecurities. I didn’t hear it as a Taylor diss track.

I do think Actually Romantic targets Charli and am disappointed. Without the Charli references, it would work as a song about the people who hate Taylor yet spend hours online discussing her and dissecting her every move.

Eh, we have no idea what else has been going on behind the scenes with that group and Taylor. I say this as a Swiftie and a fan of Charli and The 1975 too.

Could also be about all of her recent haters, Trump included.

The lyrics show it is definitely about Charli. Trump didn't write a song about Taylor and he doesn't hang out with Matty Healy, so I think we can safely say it's not about him.

I didn't say it wasn't about Charli. My point is that it could be directed to an amalgamation of her haters.

[Anonymous]

Eldest Daughter has made me cry every time I listened to it. I am not an eldest daughter, but my daughter is. And it’s her favorite so far.
“I’m never gonna leave you out” hits me.