Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

In what context? Charli has never insulted or attacked Taylor in a public way. Ever. Sympathy is a Knife is *not* a dis track, if anything it's a compliment -- the song is about Charli feeling insecure about being in Taylor's orbit, which is a totally reasonable thing. It's a vulnerable song and doesn't put Taylor down.

IF Charli did some of the stuff Taylor mentions in Actually Romantic behind closed doors (called her Boring Barbie or "high fived" Matty when he broke up with Taylor), these were private actions that were well below the radar of the public, who had no inkling of a feud between them. And that's a big if, frankly. At one point in the song, Taylor speculates that Charli's boyfriend (now husband) must be sick of talking about Taylor. This is an imagined fantasy about Charli talking nonstop about Taylor, something Taylor could not possibly know even if it were true, and which is probably not true. Even the Boring Barbie and high five comments sound like the kind of 3rd hand gossip some shit-stirrer might have passed on to Taylor's circle to feel in the know, who knows if it is even accurate. It also appears that Taylor is still feeling hurt and vulnerable over the Matty breakup, and this is presenting in the form of paranoia that everyone in Matty's circle is laughing at her. But how likely is this, really? These are people with their own lives and problems. Do we really think that Charli and the 1975 and Gabriette sit around talking about Taylor all the time? I don't.

Meanwhile, Taylor makes fun of Charli's drug use, compares her to a dog, insinuates that Charli is actually attracted to/in love with Taylor, and attempts to claim that Charli is beneath her notice (while dedicating a whole-ass song to her on her new album, lol). Even if Charli has said some unkind things about Taylor in private circles far from any media, that doesn't justify this. It's bringing a bazooka to a water balloon fight.

NP. I don’t think something has to be public in order for Taylor to write about it…if someone’s acting shitty in private, I don’t see the problem with her reacting to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Eldest Daughter has made me cry every time I listened to it. I am not an eldest daughter, but my daughter is. And it’s her favorite so far.
“I’m never gonna leave you out” hits me.

Is this a love song to Travis? That is what I am getting out of it. As an Eldest Daughter I relate more to Father Figure.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

I thought Charli’s lyrics looked inward and talked about her own insecurities. I didn’t hear it as a Taylor diss track.

I do think Actually Romantic targets Charli and am disappointed. Without the Charli references, it would work as a song about the people who hate Taylor yet spend hours online discussing her and dissecting her every move.

What happened with Charli and crew is not about Charli's song. Charli's friend have been posting some really nasty stuff about Taylor this year (Its all over X/Twitter) in addition to what Charli was saying "behind closed doors". They share mutual friends.

[Anonymous]

Sympathy is a Knife IS actually sweet. But it sounds like there was a lot more behind the scenes (which is what this album is.) Taylor might be feeling somewhat betrayed because she took Charli on her Rep tour.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a fan but have not listened to her last album. It just didn’t really do it for me, and I gave up. Is it worth a re-listen?

TTPD, the songs I go back to over and over and love:
-tortured poets department (who’s gonna hold you but me?”)
-the prophecy - “I’ve been on my knees” “don’t want money, just someone who wants my company, please who should I speak to,” sad, and soo good.
-guilty as sin - I think my favorite on the album. Musically cannot be denied.
-my boy only breaks his favorite toys - I get Barbie movie themes. About her whole life and all failed relationships. What always happens. Similar to “the prophecy”
-who’s afraid of little old me (very bitter, angry, if you’re angry it feels good. “I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn” the way she sings it so good)
-Clara bow
-I hate it here, gets stuck in my head. After the shooting of the church on Sunday, yep, that’s how I felt.

A few others like Fortnight are good. There are 3 more *incredible* sad songs that I almost can’t listen to, I’m not that sad. “loml” is one of them.

This is pretty much my thoughts on TTPD as well. I also love how catch “down bad, crying at the gym” is.

Sadly, I don’t know if this album has songs that will have as much replay value for me.

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Too many songs with “explicit” lyrics.

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Terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:6-7 of the 12 songs are about travis. And he is not not a good muse. Boring AF as a muse.

Fate of ophelia is decent. Actually romantic will be in 1000 tik tok videos and has cultual.staying power that way.

I dont get tge hate though. Its a mid album but not trash. Methinks she lost some of her ambition.


The other possibilty is sge is she is respomding to the online world - you want to speculate on my sex life with travis - here is the worst sex song ever!

Here is a song about sincerity vs online memes, but im gonna rick roll you in it.

All your posting crap abput me just makes me wet.

I was literally hoping for the last year or two that Travis would be an awful muse. Please, for her sake.

Thinking about hot boyfriends i loved before DH. It was up down all over, I was a mess. I learned from them that you want someone who is high pleasant, and rarely rarely makes you miserable. Even keeled. That’s DH.

If I were a song writer, those years would have produced amazing music. Now with DH (17 years of marriage) it’s like pleasant happiness, it would sound like me listening to classical music, calm, yacht rock, sweet but not as exciting.

I only continue to wish her life is much more pleasant and slightly, slightly boring. Happy. She can do anything she wants. Write, produce, open a label.

This! I love that their relationship is so boring and happy. She just sounds free and joyful. Maybe it makes for less interesting music but unloading the dishwasher, watching movies, and making sourdough is boring. For someone like Taylor, it’s also the greatest escape from being famous.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

Swift is middle aged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

I don't think this opinion is that unpopular.

Taylor and this album are getting trashed on some big Reddit pop culture subs that are usually pretty pro-Taylor. The Charli dis track is making lots of people mad. I wonder if Taylor didn't realize that it would be viewed as punching down. I think she's still stuck in her pre-Eras mindset of feeling underestimated and like people don't view her as legitimate. She's the establishment now, but this album is written like she's the underdog. In this scenario, Charli is 100% the underdog. It just comes off as mean (she calls her a yappy dog!).

So Charli and friends can be total a-holes with no recourse?

In what context? Charli has never insulted or attacked Taylor in a public way. Ever. Sympathy is a Knife is *not* a dis track, if anything it's a compliment -- the song is about Charli feeling insecure about being in Taylor's orbit, which is a totally reasonable thing. It's a vulnerable song and doesn't put Taylor down.

IF Charli did some of the stuff Taylor mentions in Actually Romantic behind closed doors (called her Boring Barbie or "high fived" Matty when he broke up with Taylor), these were private actions that were well below the radar of the public, who had no inkling of a feud between them. And that's a big if, frankly. At one point in the song, Taylor speculates that Charli's boyfriend (now husband) must be sick of talking about Taylor. This is an imagined fantasy about Charli talking nonstop about Taylor, something Taylor could not possibly know even if it were true, and which is probably not true. Even the Boring Barbie and high five comments sound like the kind of 3rd hand gossip some shit-stirrer might have passed on to Taylor's circle to feel in the know, who knows if it is even accurate. It also appears that Taylor is still feeling hurt and vulnerable over the Matty breakup, and this is presenting in the form of paranoia that everyone in Matty's circle is laughing at her. But how likely is this, really? These are people with their own lives and problems. Do we really think that Charli and the 1975 and Gabriette sit around talking about Taylor all the time? I don't.

Meanwhile, Taylor makes fun of Charli's drug use, compares her to a dog, insinuates that Charli is actually attracted to/in love with Taylor, and attempts to claim that Charli is beneath her notice (while dedicating a whole-ass song to her on her new album, lol). Even if Charli has said some unkind things about Taylor in private circles far from any media, that doesn't justify this. It's bringing a bazooka to a water balloon fight.

OK, woah. You are taking all of this really literally. I don’t think anyone actually thinks Taylor is trying to say she knows what goes on between Charlie and her boyfriend. The standard for any song or movie or any art doesn’t have to be that it’s based on 100% on facts that you know cannot be proven wrong.

One of the themes of the song is about how we all have someone in our lives at some point and we probably do this ourselves at some point…fixate on someone we don’t like or an interaction that put us off and then we vent about it.

It’s pretty normal thing for people to do at some point in their lives and I found it relatable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this thread for unpopular opinions? Taylor is burnt out. Her imagery is so tired. The showgirls tjeme looked bad bit maybe it's a tease to a vegas residency so I'll let that pass. But the Marilyn Monroe music video? So boring! Grace Kelly or even Jayne Mansfield would have been more interesting

Swift is middle aged.

Who cares? People always say this on these threads like it’s some sort of dig. I guess because it’s the only relatable thing we have with Taylor. We are all getting older if we are lucky enough to not be dead.

She is still going to age better than most of the world and she’s going to have better career satisfaction overall and more fun doing it than most of us. Seems to be making people pretty jealous and all they can do is flail around and yell she’s getting old, her eggs are dying!

It’s so transparent and tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:Sympathy is a Knife IS actually sweet. But it sounds like there was a lot more behind the scenes (which is what this album is.) Taylor might be feeling somewhat betrayed because she took Charli on her Rep tour.

Charlie married Matty’s best friend and bandmate, George Daniel. Unlike the general public who’s heard only Taylor’s side of that story, Charlie knows everything or at least a lot of transpired between Matty & Taylor behind closed doors. Charlie is entitled to dislike her if blondie wasn’t fair to Matty in songs like The Smallest Man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sympathy is a Knife IS actually sweet. But it sounds like there was a lot more behind the scenes (which is what this album is.) Taylor might be feeling somewhat betrayed because she took Charli on her Rep tour.

Charlie married Matty’s best friend and bandmate, George Daniel. Unlike the general public who’s heard only Taylor’s side of that story, Charlie knows everything or at least a lot of transpired between Matty & Taylor behind closed doors. Charlie is entitled to dislike her if blondie wasn’t fair to Matty in songs like The Smallest Man.

PP here. I am very aware of who Charli is married to, that she is close with Gabriette, and like I said, there was a lot more behind the scenes - probably some of it coke-fueled.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a fan but have not listened to her last album. It just didn’t really do it for me, and I gave up. Is it worth a re-listen?

TTPD, the songs I go back to over and over and love:
-tortured poets department (who’s gonna hold you but me?”)
-the prophecy - “I’ve been on my knees” “don’t want money, just someone who wants my company, please who should I speak to,” sad, and soo good.
-guilty as sin - I think my favorite on the album. Musically cannot be denied.
-my boy only breaks his favorite toys - I get Barbie movie themes. About her whole life and all failed relationships. What always happens. Similar to “the prophecy”
-who’s afraid of little old me (very bitter, angry, if you’re angry it feels good. “I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn” the way she sings it so good)
-Clara bow
-I hate it here, gets stuck in my head. After the shooting of the church on Sunday, yep, that’s how I felt.

A few others like Fortnight are good. There are 3 more *incredible* sad songs that I almost can’t listen to, I’m not that sad. “loml” is one of them.

I love TTPD.
-But Daddy I Love Him is the modern day version of Madonna’s Papa Don’t Preach and my favorite on the album.
- Peter is hauntingly beautiful.
- My Bo Only Breaks His Favorite Toys has one of the best outros she’s ever written.
- And Guilty As Sin is Taylor’s most sensual and poetic “sexy” song.

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I guess I’m old and out of touch because I had literally no idea who this Charli person is. Reading she’s married to that rocker boy’s best friend makes it seem like Swift remains deeply obsessed with the rocker boy. Ma’am aren’t you engaged? It’s giving…sham engagement.