Is responsibility for your own bag too much to ask?

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

First FAs are hourly, not salary. Second, yes, if a teacher is OFF during the summer I would not call them up and expect them to teach my child. Exactly my point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is not correct. Delta, American and Alaska airline FAs do get paid during boarding, although it's still not much.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is an elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

As has been noted, many (maybe most) airlines prohibit FAs from assisting. It’s nice that you help but honestly that seems like a bad decision for you. If you get hurt lifting someone else’s bag and have to lose time from work or require medical care, who is going to pay your bills?

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Anonymous wrote:There are disabled people out there who fly OP.

Which is why OP wrote “barring disability.” Perhaps you have a comprehension disorder?

How would they know? Not all disabilities and health issues are visible. How would you know I carry two portable nebulizer, extra parts, medications and more? Expraclothing as things get bad….

If it doesn't apply to you, leave it. Honestly, you're upset about something that has nothing to do with you. Why are you centering yourself in this discussion? Are you always such a narcissist?

Aren’t you the person who thinks kids should go without changes of clothes, the elderly should go without CPAP machines, and everyone too short to reach overheads should pay $50 and wait 45 minutes for checked bags…just so you can board 10 minutes faster?

Just want to see where the accusations of narcissim are coming from.

I think everyone wants boarding to go faster. It’s just that the people who are the holdup don’t recognize that they’re the problem. Now you know. You’re welcome.

I am willing to wait a few moments longer to get on a plane, which will sit on the tarmac regardless, in order for someone else to be able to have their medical equipment, clothes, or other items. I’m surprised to find that makes me so uniquely good of a person.

What about people who have tight connections and are traveling for an emergency? Should they have to wait and potentially miss a flight because you simply must bring 3 pairs of clothes that you can't lift?

Seems like they should be the first people to offer to assist anyone who seems to be struggling, then.

Should they have to announce to everyone that they are available and risk injury? Interesting that everyone but the person with the bag they can't manage needs to be inconvenienced.

Fly private if you don’t wish to be inconvenienced by the needs of other passengers. Your tight connection isn’t more important than an elderly persons CPAP machine or an infants formula.

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Same to you. Sounds like you need a personal attendant. Commercial is not for everyone.

I have never struggled to get my items stowed, either on my own or with assistance. Nor do I begrudge other passengers the time to store their items, which they’re entitled to do. You’re the one struggling to make your connections, so if you can’t afford private perhaps you need to plan better so this doesn’t cause you so much anxiety.

That’s nice but has nothing to do with airline policy. If you can’t find room for your bags they will gate check them for you.

This thread is about lifting the bags, which airline policy does not require.

But if nobody will help you and all the space is gone they will gate check it. That’s a risk you take knowingly bringing a bag on you can’t manage.

Thats never happened to me, and I’ve never seen it happen, but yes it’s a risk.

If your real complaint is about time and inconvenience, you would hope that someone would assist a struggling passenger since removing and gate checking a bag takes significantly more time.

You’ve never seen a bag gate checked? It happens all the tme. Flights still leave on time.

I’ve never seen someone left to struggle in the aisle with a bag, which would block everyone behind them, for so long that all the overhead space was taken up (again, how, if the line is held up) and then have to gate check it. Which would of course require another delay while they removed batteries, Rx, and whatever else can’t be checked.

Then they are lucky but they have no right to demand passengers or flight attendants do this for them. It’s a risk they assume.

I don't know how much you fly but I fly very frequently and in my observation there are men and even women eager to jump in and help at the first sign of overhead bag struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

First FAs are hourly, not salary. Second, yes, if a teacher is OFF during the summer I would not call them up and expect them to teach my child. Exactly my point.

Its not the FA job and they are not allowed for safety but a decent person would help. And, yes, some of us use tutors/teachers over the summer.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

First FAs are hourly, not salary. Second, yes, if a teacher is OFF during the summer I would not call them up and expect them to teach my child. Exactly my point.

Its not the FA job and they are not allowed for safety but a decent person would help. And, yes, some of us use tutors/teachers over the summer.

You don't understand the difference between hiring a teacher to tutor your child, and requesting an off-work teacher teach them with no pay? You're just looking to argue with people about your laziness and entitled attitude at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

They are required to help passengers who have self identified with disabilities stow and access their carryon luggage. So “not required” is nuanced.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

So are you saying if a student contacts their teacher for help in a subject over the summer, the teacher should accommodate them? The entitlement is outrageous.

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I feel like some of you wouldn’t stop if you saw a baby walking down the highway. “The entitlement of thy baby!”

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

This is like saying teachers aren’t paid in the summer or on school breaks. While technically those days/minutes are not part of the work contract, the salary/wages they are paid takes into account that certain times are not paid. Exempt office workers aren’t even paid by the hour or eligible for overtime - you are paid a salary to get the job done. Period. If you have to stay late oh well.

So are you saying if a student contacts their teacher for help in a subject over the summer, the teacher should accommodate them? The entitlement is outrageous.

No. I’m saying that teachers are professionals and routinely grade/plan/prep over school breaks and summers despite it not technically being during their contract time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

No but they SHOULD check a bag they can’t lift into the overhead if they’re too short, old, young, etc.

You completely missed the point of this post.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!