Is responsibility for your own bag too much to ask?

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!

Are you unfamiliar with unaccompanied minors?

They have a FA assigned to them, and they PAY for this. Very different from just expecting people to manage your shit.

We all PAY for the use of overhead space. You’re saying people who don’t meet a specific criteria should not receive what they paid for — and in fact should pay more— because of where airline engineers chose to put access to bins. Its ridiculous.

If you're paying for it, are you saying there is guaranteed allocated space just for you?

No. I’m saying short people, pregnant people, women, children and the disabled don’t have less of a claim on the onboard space.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

No but they SHOULD check a bag they can’t lift into the overhead if they’re too short, old, young, etc.

You completely missed the point of this post.

Your point is obvious— people with fewer or different physical abilities should pay $35-$50 and hours of their time to ensure that a greater share of the resources they paid for are made available to you and those you deem worthy.

The airlines could have a rule like this if they wanted, and they do not, because such a rule would disproportionately impact travelers based on matters such as age, sex, and disability— in other words such a rule would be illegal.

Yes they absolutely should. If you’re not able you need to check. Life is not fair.

And because of people like you who believe this, there are laws which prevent such rules from being enacted.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!

Are you unfamiliar with unaccompanied minors?

They have a FA assigned to them, and they PAY for this. Very different from just expecting people to manage your shit.

We all PAY for the use of overhead space. You’re saying people who don’t meet a specific criteria should not receive what they paid for — and in fact should pay more— because of where airline engineers chose to put access to bins. Its ridiculous.

No, you don’t pay for overhead space. No one is guaranteed any space. Maybe in first, but certainly nowhere else.

Just because no one is guaranteed to use it doesn’t mean we don’t pay for it. Its the whole premise behind “basic” economy tickets not coming with carryon bags

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I lift weights in the hope that at age 60+, I’ll still be able to lift a heavy carry-on bag over my head.

If there is an older person near me while boarding a flight, I always ask them if they need help with their bag.

FWIW I’m 43, 5’2 and 111 lbs.

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People who board and put their bags in carryon space up front even in first and then go to their seats far back are sociopaths.

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Anonymous wrote:I routinely help tiny women and elderly people with the overhead compartment. While I’m a 50 year old lady, I’m fortunate to be tall, string, and healthy for now…someday I might not be.

+1 I’m 47

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!

Are you unfamiliar with unaccompanied minors?

They have a FA assigned to them, and they PAY for this. Very different from just expecting people to manage your shit.

We all PAY for the use of overhead space. You’re saying people who don’t meet a specific criteria should not receive what they paid for — and in fact should pay more— because of where airline engineers chose to put access to bins. Its ridiculous.

No, you don’t pay for overhead space. No one is guaranteed any space. Maybe in first, but certainly nowhere else.

Just because no one is guaranteed to use it doesn’t mean we don’t pay for it. Its the whole premise behind “basic” economy tickets not coming with carryon bags

You pay for a seat and that’s about it. You may think you paid for one drink and bag of pretzels but if there is turbulence, you’re not getting that snack and if they are out of your favorite beverage, then too bad for you. If the overhead bins are full, then your bag gets gate checked. If you run your mouth about it, you will be escorted off. Heck, even if you’re not dressed appropriately you may not fly. Sometimes the a/c doesn’t work either, even though you paid for a comfortable flight. Your idea of your rights and what you’re owed, don’t line up with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!

Are you unfamiliar with unaccompanied minors?

They have a FA assigned to them, and they PAY for this. Very different from just expecting people to manage your shit.

We all PAY for the use of overhead space. You’re saying people who don’t meet a specific criteria should not receive what they paid for — and in fact should pay more— because of where airline engineers chose to put access to bins. Its ridiculous.

No, you don’t pay for overhead space. No one is guaranteed any space. Maybe in first, but certainly nowhere else.

Just because no one is guaranteed to use it doesn’t mean we don’t pay for it. Its the whole premise behind “basic” economy tickets not coming with carryon bags

Check your contract of carriage. It says nothing about access to overhead space.

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Anonymous wrote:I routinely help tiny women and elderly people with the overhead compartment. While I’m a 50 year old lady, I’m fortunate to be tall, string, and healthy for now…someday I might not be.

Thank you for being kind (instead of smug about your health)

I used to be a very independent woman. Now I am elderly and bring a carryon which is not heavy for a healthy, younger person (especially a male ). I might be able to put it in the overhead compartment, but would run the risk of an injury that would ruin my whole trip.

Can’t the more fortunate (for now) help the less fortunate in our society? I can tell you that in other cultures, that would be the normal expectation.

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Anonymous wrote:I lift weights in the hope that at age 60+, I’ll still be able to lift a heavy carry-on bag over my head.

If there is an older person near me while boarding a flight, I always ask them if they need help with their bag.

FWIW I’m 43, 5’2 and 111 lbs.

Thank you for being civilized.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Your last sentence is so out of line.

Watch out for karma.

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Anonymous wrote:I routinely help tiny women and elderly people with the overhead compartment. While I’m a 50 year old lady, I’m fortunate to be tall, string, and healthy for now…someday I might not be.

Thank you for being kind (instead of smug about your health)

I used to be a very independent woman. Now I am elderly and bring a carryon which is not heavy for a healthy, younger person (especially a male ). I might be able to put it in the overhead compartment, but would run the risk of an injury that would ruin my whole trip.

Can’t the more fortunate (for now) help the less fortunate in our society? I can tell you that in other cultures, that would be the normal expectation.

Yes, the more fortunate can help the less fortunate. But the problem is when someone EXPECTS the help. That's entitled. Bringing a suitcase that you know you can't lift is the definition of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard FAs say- I don't lift bags.

It always catches me by surprise when it is a elderly woman or really short woman or even an unaccompanied 12 year old who can't lift their bag up. Also, I have a terrible back but I am still helping other people when the FAs refuse to help

I am one of the people calling the overreactors here jerks but I don't think FAs (or anyone) should be REQUIRED to help and I believe FAs are sometimes not allowed to because it exposes the airline to workers comp risks

Of course they shouldn't. They aren't even PAID while passengers are boarding. What kind of a AH would ask someone not even being paid to do a basic task that they should be able to complete themselves.

Why should they? They “should” be taller? They “should” be older (in the case of children) or younger (in the case of the elderly)? Perhaps the aircraft designers “should” have taken more care with making bins accessible for more passengers, but your idea of what people “should” be able to do is simply…your idea.

Is this putative child not traveling in the company of an adult?!

Are you unfamiliar with unaccompanied minors?

They have a FA assigned to them, and they PAY for this. Very different from just expecting people to manage your shit.

We all PAY for the use of overhead space. You’re saying people who don’t meet a specific criteria should not receive what they paid for — and in fact should pay more— because of where airline engineers chose to put access to bins. Its ridiculous.

No, you don’t pay for overhead space. No one is guaranteed any space. Maybe in first, but certainly nowhere else.

Just because no one is guaranteed to use it doesn’t mean we don’t pay for it. Its the whole premise behind “basic” economy tickets not coming with carryon bags

You pay for a seat and that’s about it. You may think you paid for one drink and bag of pretzels but if there is turbulence, you’re not getting that snack and if they are out of your favorite beverage, then too bad for you. If the overhead bins are full, then your bag gets gate checked. If you run your mouth about it, you will be escorted off. Heck, even if you’re not dressed appropriately you may not fly. Sometimes the a/c doesn’t work either, even though you paid for a comfortable flight. Your idea of your rights and what you’re owed, don’t line up with reality.

The bins being full has what, exactly to do with someone being able to access them? Because at the first hint of your utopia— elderly and disabled left standing helpless until there is no bin soace— the passengers will refer to the ADA and which yes ^entitles^ the individual to assistance stowing and accessing luggage. Get ready to stew even longer waiting for the pre-boarders you already hate.

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Anonymous wrote:I routinely help tiny women and elderly people with the overhead compartment. While I’m a 50 year old lady, I’m fortunate to be tall, string, and healthy for now…someday I might not be.

+1 i help elderly people and women carrying children. No big deal. I've been that mom with a baby in the past, and I will probably be that elderly person in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:I routinely help tiny women and elderly people with the overhead compartment. While I’m a 50 year old lady, I’m fortunate to be tall, string, and healthy for now…someday I might not be.

Thank you for being kind (instead of smug about your health)

I used to be a very independent woman. Now I am elderly and bring a carryon which is not heavy for a healthy, younger person (especially a male ). I might be able to put it in the overhead compartment, but would run the risk of an injury that would ruin my whole trip.

Can’t the more fortunate (for now) help the less fortunate in our society? I can tell you that in other cultures, that would be the normal expectation.

Yes, the more fortunate can help the less fortunate. But the problem is when someone EXPECTS the help. That's entitled. Bringing a suitcase that you know you can't lift is the definition of that.

They are literally entitled to assistance.

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/disabilitybillofrights#The%20Right%20to%20Assistance%20on%20the%20Aircraft

So yes they absolutely should expect that assistance.